Tonight on ACA:
ACA Top Story: Battling the Brethren
January 10, 2011: The NSW residents are fighting back - determined to put a stop to the Exclusive Brethren before it takes over their leafy NSW suburb.
They have a business masquerading as a church with no Biblical reference whatsoever the Brethren [are] right where they want them.
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Anonymous
UnregisteredInteresting that its a small community and the hall the EB are to build is huge, could hold over 500 people. This means that the EB are going to move in and build or try to force people out and then buy their home, at a good price.
Post # 23695 - Posted 4 months ago LINK -
johnw
MemberEB do, of course, suffer from delusions of grandeur. They still harbour the notion that ex-EBs and even non-EBs will come knocking at their doors expressing an overwhelming desire to embrace a life of exclusivism, separation, hypocrisy, ignorance and utter hatred of the world, attracted by dubious offers of cash, membership of a sinister business empire and absolute devotion to a rather second rate businessman, inadequate politician and wholly unqualified church leader.
Post # 23696 - Posted 4 months ago LINK -
dgs
MemberYou'll see it on http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/
Post # 23697 - Posted 4 months ago LINK -
Anonymous
UnregisteredSeems they need a new PR mob. Not only was this the lead story on Australia's most watched current affairs program -but the Peebs came accross as sneaky weirdos. No lies were told - just facts. The huge resident mob said- why would they try to sneak this planning application through while everyone is on holidays? It's a fair question.
They also showed the existing church which they have 'outgrown'. The security fencing and ubiquitous closed circuit TV's watching every move. The place looked like a prison - not a little place of worship which when used- 'people hardly even know we are there'.
Basically they want to put up one of these hideousities (all Peeb churches are architectural monstrosities) in a quiet residential street -where people are clearly worried about what it will do to the values of their own ponderosas.
Maybe the Peebs should do us all a favour and just move 'bush'. Because I think this angry mob sound angry enough that this three story Bruce temple will not be built in our lifetimes.
Pssst- Bruce- if the rapture is so imminent - why do you need yet another great big monstrous church??? Why not build a bloody great big spaceship and fire yourselves out of this world ahead of the great roundup. It could save us all an awful lot of bother. It's sad seeing Sydney turn into a Salt Lake City in the weirdo church department.
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Anonymous
UnregisteredGive peebs a break it could well be an Islamic Mosque, which along with our immigration policies and welfare handouts, soon will be sprouting like mushrooms all over the country, where women have far less rights than in peebs.
Bruce Hales is just as qualified to lead peebs as anyone else, so far I have not heard of any immoral behavior by him, like that of Big Jim. The real problem is that those who have left are like a rabble that cannot organize themselves like peebs, and have a meeting place of their own, but only spew out hatred on the net. No wonder they rarely leave, there is no where to go..........as we have already noticed only peebs understand peebs.........so those out have no where to go of their own kind. O.K. some have found refuge in other churches, but never our own....and they are no welcoming refuge to any leaving. Yes there iss a sort of out reach here by individuals but not any church made of ex-peebs.Post # 23708 - Posted 4 months ago LINK -
Ian
MemberFrom what the residents say, the secrecy of EBism seems to have engendered their distrust, as one might expect. Secrecy usually does. And yet openness might engender more distrust, because if the residents knew as much about EBism as we do, they might feel the same as we do, probably with less pity and more indignation.
So I don’t think the EB can win the trust of the public either by secrecy or by openness. The only way they can do it is to mend their ways. Radically. And that will take time.
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Anonymous
UnregisteredPoster 23708 Are you serious? Can anyone tell us whether it is a full moon in your part of the country?
Post # 23712 - Posted 4 months ago LINK -
Anonymous
UnregisteredYes there iss a sort of out reach here by individuals but not any church made of ex-peebs.
Because if they have enough brains to leave the EB they don’t need to congregate in an anti-peebs church to pacify the neurotic behaviour of EB’s. They can have a holiday, go to dinner with friends and generally become part of God’s real community called Humanity!Post # 23713 - Posted 4 months ago LINK -
Anonymous
UnregisteredActually, ex-peebs have made a number of churches: Rentons, Strangs, Frosts (2 versions) and over the years quite a few others. Some of these have their own pages on these forums where they engage in dialogue of a sort.
Johnw
Post # 23718 - Posted 4 months ago LINK -
Anonymous
UnregisteredGive peebs a break it could well be an Islamic Mosque, which along with our immigration policies and welfare handouts, soon will be sprouting like mushrooms all over the country, where women have far less rights than in peebs.
Post # 23708
As a resident said on the film clip it could be any development, or Catholic Church – what is in dispute here is the size, position and manner of the development in relation to the local community and its infrastructure.
One huge difference though is this - You can see in the film clip the “development notices” fly posted up. On these notices it states “place of public worship”. The Exclusive Brethren meeting rooms are nothing of the sort. We can see the CCTV, Huge Gates and Barbed Wire of an existing complex. The public can not enter these places, the public is not welcome. These places are places of worship for a special closed sectarian fellowship group, who deceive local planning laws and charity commission laws by claiming their compounds are “places of public worship” so the brethren can gain from exposing loop holes and gain status they don’t have and are not entitled to.
A place of public worship – is one where the local community can meet, in freedom and are welcomed in, it is a place of support for the local community. It is a place where discrimination of sectarian nature is not tolerated; it is not a special private members club.
In short a “place of public worship” is the opposite of the EB’s. They are Exclusive not public and not inclusive of the community. The HEB are lying to local and national governmental organisations and hiding the real truth of what they are.
Bruce Hales is just as qualified to lead peebs as anyone else, so far I have not heard of any immoral behavior by him, like that of Big Jim. Post # 23708
BDH consistently, along with other high profile HEB members, refer to “big jim” as “Our Beloved” and view “big jim” as “Pure”.
This implicates him and the leadership, and the grass roots members to some degree, in the actions of “big jim”, they clearly agree with his immoral behaviour or they would not refer to him as “pure or as our beloved”
Bruce Hales is certainly not qualified to lead any professedly Christian group under the terms of church leadership as set out in Timothy or Titus in the Holy Bible.
RE
Post # 23719 - Posted 4 months ago LINK -
Anonymous
UnregisteredLet them build it, and fill it up ... just when the bushfires arrive! TRhat would be a short cut to the Lake of Fire :)
Post # 23720 - Posted 4 months ago LINK -
Anonymous
UnregisteredIf the govt would only stop giving out millions of dollars reckon the cult of the EB would fizzle. What with cut price cars, and anything else available, its a good organisation to belong to. Also good for pedophiles too. Pedophiles are very good at shutting up their victim and their families. Could be what "shutting up"is all about. to be continued......
Post # 23722 - Posted 4 months ago LINK -
Tar Baby
MemberGive peebs a break it could well be an Islamic Mosque, which along with our immigration policies and welfare handouts, soon will be sprouting like mushrooms all over the country, where women have far less rights than in peebs.
I know peebs (been one most of my life) and I also have moslem friends. In my experience I would tend to not agree with the above. Ie I tend to think moslem womem have more rights than peeb woman. This may not be true in all instances or all countries I know.
And... I have been to a woman moslem doctor but never a woman peeb doctor.
Post # 23732 - Posted 4 months ago LINK -
Anonymous
UnregisteredThe real problem is that those who have left are like a rabble that cannot organize themselves like peebs, and have a meeting place of their own, but only spew out hatred on the net. Post # 23708
Clearly the “rabble” are organised. Just look at how much has been exposed on this site and others in the last 12months alone. The classic own goal of the UBT / One Focus – Questionnaire - is just one example.
The only hatred that is displayed on this and other forums is the hatred of the “system” of Exclusive Brethrenism of all types. EBism is a system which has no place in a bible believing Christian church. It is a system which ignores the teachings of Christ Jesus and follows what mere men in the flesh spew forth.
We have no hatred of the brethren as individuals but rather the system that they support. Many here, including us, still have relatives locked into the Hales EB and other EB groups. It is a terrible stain on the brethrens testimony - to themselves and to other Christians - that they continue to uphold EBism and its man made rules of Exclusive, Separatist behaviours which are not taught “anywhere” in the bible.
A return to Christianity as taught by Jesus himself is the only answer.
RE
Post # 23734 - Posted 4 months ago LINK -
Anonymous
UnregisteredGo easy on the Peebs!!!!?????? NEVAH!!!!!!!!
Post # 23735 - Posted 4 months ago LINK -
johnw
MemberPeebs.net is not a Christian forum - I don't mean that in a negative way: I mean that it is a non-religious forum. It includes Christians and I count myself as one of them. But equally valuable are those who declare that they have no faith. Jesus Christ did good to all and that is to me the example.
I certainly would not advocate a church of ex-peebs! What a basis for fellowship!
And when I mentioned the ex-peeb churches which had been set up I forgot to mention the Church of the Belly Button Fluff (CBBF). I do apologise to the particular DAMOTLITR who leads this outfit but whose name escapes me but who leads his people with (dis)grace and (in)dignity.
I'm sure Twaddle can speak up for himself.
Post # 23736 - Posted 4 months ago LINK -
Ellie
Member@ poster of #23708.
You are right!
It COULD have been an "Islamic Mosque" - but the residents did say that the denomination was insignificant to the imposition the 'church' (read as reality: HEB Meeting Hall) would have on the local community.I am curious as to what "qualifications" you feel Bruce Hales has to be a leader of a "Christian Church" ? ? ?
Post # 23741 - Posted 4 months ago LINK -
Fred Flintstone
MemberPost # 23708
Hmm. I smell a peeb. Methinks he doth produce an EB like supply of spelling mistakes and wild assertions.One of His Worshipfulnesses great assertions at the moment is 'The Purity Of Our Beloved' and 'His Daddy'
Please go aww everybody. Sorry, but the revolting obsession with the love of money and greedy accumulation of wealth while having no regard for families, and the human rights of individuals coupled with mental abuse and the destroying of natural talent with zero tolerance for further education and deriding of authority would in my opinion make someone of that nature not only unsuitable for Ministry in any half reasonable church, but also leave many other unanswered questions....
..........as we have already noticed only peebs understand peebs.........
Really? I had plenty practice at understanding peebs and I understand them very well...To quote the apostle Paul 'I also was a Pharisee of the Pharisees'You wonder what will open the poor old EB's eyes. Even if one rose from the dead they still would not believe.
Post # 23745 - Posted 4 months ago LINK -
Ian
MemberYou wonder what will open the poor old EB's eyes.
This is an important question for anyone who hopes to liberate them and reunite them with their families. I have thought a lot about this. What will open their eyes?
I don’t think rational argument will do it. I don’t think facts about misbehaving leaders will do it (unless perhaps some new and gross misbehaviour emerges). I don’t think preaching Christian principles to them will do it. These can all play an important part in the liberation of an EB at a late stage in his disillusionment, but they conspicuously fail to start the process, because thorough indoctrination has immunized most EB against all non-EB influences.
From my own experience and the experience of others I think the process of liberation starts with something more emotional. It can be anger at being wrongly accused or badly treated, or disgust at seeing others badly treated, or an awareness that EBism is not helping us towards a worthwhile or fulfilling life, or resentment at being so minutely controlled and deceived, or love for people outside the EB enclave.
It is only after some such emotional experience that many typical EB members have become receptive to facts, rational arguments or Christian principles, and these can then help them to consolidate their views and make their emancipation irreversible.
Post # 23750 - Posted 4 months ago LINK
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