Anonymous
Unregistered
Poster 25363 says "God has given us all things that we should rightly enjoy" That's an extremely broad statement! You could justify everything and anything that you could possibly think of with that sort of ethos! Can the poster explain what he means exactly by this?
What does make sense is what John says in the previous post, about questions and answers, 2nd paragraph. Spot on John
Simon
Member
No, it was poster 25369 who said that, not 25363.
So, 25369, if you are going to spell out what you mean as requested by 25462, I would also be interested in knowing what you are referring to when you say,
Down there in OZ events appear to be coming to a cataclysmic bust up.
The airheads are found out down dungvalley.
Anonymous
Unregistered
My apologies, it was 25369! Thank you Simon
Anonymous
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The operative word is RIGHTLY to enjoy. Things given by God for our blessing in this life, creatorial , relationships ,all legal, non threatening nor sinful. Would God give us evil to enjoy? Do we not enjoy life within the clear moral compass?
The rich can enjoy their riches and are encouraged to give to others, to enjoy, and to have enjoyment in so doing 1 Tim 6v17. God blesses people richly and rightly.
Those who follow blindly with no yielding to their own mind and conscience are 'airheads' in modern speech. Does that seem like the Jimmies . However there appears a movement of God in OZ and it may be a division and release of the more exercised followers, being released from the deep depression of what the OT prophets referred to as 'dung thrown in their faces'. In an stinking, entraping, unhealthy position is to be in bodily waste, such as known by HEB followers.
Our Canadian friend knows the rightful enjoyment of the hills and woods and the care of God's creatures.
Possibly I have made things somewhat clearer with interpretation. Every good wish to all. Anonymous disciple.
Anonymous
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Anon disciple,
Thank you too. I must try to use the language of Zion more and less of the worldly terms.
Maybe it will be easily followed what I am trying to say in less modern words.
Regards. Limey countryman.
Joan
Member
May I make a gentle plea that people consider writing their contributions in ordinary, modern and non-sectarian English? I'm fairly well read, including in Brethren literature, but I sometimes find it quite difficult to understand exactly what contributors mean when they use 'Brethrenese'.
When you start composing your post, kindly think of those outside the Brethren tradition who visit here. It may help to read aloud to yourself what you've written so that you can hear it with the ears of the ordinary reader before you click 'Send Post'.
Many thanks!
Anonymous
Unregistered
[quote]Non-sectarian English may need clarification Joan. What is it to write non-sectarianally?
Whereas your point in questioning BRETHRENESE is taken on board I continue to bear very much in mind that those EB people who may read, pray that they do, understand their own language and to have someone post in that fashion may just find an entry into their consciousness. To converse in a strange fashion with those who reason in that language will conceivably give them confidence that we do understand them and their doctrines and praxis..
We all want to get things right if that is achievable. Dr R.T. Kendall often said that in his preachings "We want to get things right in this church and that is my task."
Every blessing Anonymous disciple
Simon
Member
I know people who have been out of the Brethren for 50 years and they still speak Brethrenese, but they don't know they are doing so. They often think they are using a normal meaning of words like world, assembly, priest, flesh, exercise, matter, issue, testimony, position, truth, recovery, ministry, city, dispensation, Moabite, Midianite, whereas they are actually using these words to mean something completely different from what most people understand by them, and sometimes the exact opposite of what other people understand by them.
Most such people will agree with your gentle plea, Joan, but will think it doesn’t apply to them. What you need is a Brethrenese-English and English-Brethrenese dictionary.
Anonymous
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Yes, one of the beauties of being EX the EB is the ability to use normal English and completely abandon EB gobbledegook - or at least put it in quotes to show it's not normal English (as referred to by me in the "Shutting Up" thread today).
To normal people, a sentence such as "RGB was a Levite and was shut up by the Assembly" is at best meaningless, and at worst conjures up visions of someone in some strange profession being locked up or gagged by a mob (or maybe by the Scottish or Welsh Assembly!)
Anonymous
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That was me, Nigel Mansell.
Anonymous
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Simon
You have almost "stolen my thunder "as we say in English!!!!!! Meaning what?
I had in mind to publish a glossary of EB terminology for ease of understanding their mindset. I bear in mind all along that in this thread we are not too occupied with Church history nor of debates among part-time theologians but are engaging, if we may reach them, with Exclusive Brethren who might even appreciate that we understand their mode of speech and ,their ability to quote Scripture. Oh that they might engage more meaningfully.
It is the cherished hope that EB people might be moved from their fragmented groups to join with other Christians in sharing their lives and witness to meet increasingly secular and atheistic views. Most believers can agree to disagree.
I have had some experience of mixing with all kinds and try to understand all cultures.
I rest my case with a desire for every one to have peace and joy in their lives. ANONYMOUS DISCIPLE.
Further in mind is to post in Brethrenese followed at once by a English translation possibly the most satisfactory answer for most . Frankly I enjoy the variety of language used in this site and smile on occasions as I reflect.
Anonymous
Unregistered
Most "religions' need their own glossary for their terms. I was talking to a Scientologist yesterday -and you reckon the Peebs have their own language!
Anonymous
Unregistered
The EB don't need ''ministry''[they've got bookshelves full of it]
The EB don't need ''teaching''[they claim they have that ,and nobody else does]
The EB don't need ''issues''-thats all we've had for 50 years
The EB don't need more meetings-they have one every night
The EB don't need leaders-or what passes for them
The EB don't need ''new light''
The EB don't need to be ''in line with what the spirit is stressing currently amongst us''
The EB don't need to wonder what corner the Lord is going to turn next
What the EB DO need is the gospel.The gospel of Conviction of sin, repentance and acceptance of Christs finished work on the cross.Nothing less-nothing more .The Apostle Peter said salvation is only obtained by repentance and forgiveness of sins-he didn't mention being born into the assembly,or putting your trust in some man
Thats what the spirit is stressing currently, has always been stressing all along and always will be stressing.The Lord hasn't turned a corner-HE never does.....
Anonymous
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WE should all rejoice we are out................
"Everyone who has left his home or his father, or his mother, or his wife for my sake shall receive a hundredfold and shall possess eternal life." Matthew 19:29
Anonymous
Unregistered
I would submit that the EBrethren may have shelvesof ministry but so constricted and even sectarian.
Were you to invite one of their 'ministering brothers' to speak for 45 minutes on ACCEPTANCE, RECONCILIATION,ADOPTION LEADING TO SANCTIFICATION, PROPITIATION,JUSTIFICATION,ESCHATOLOGY all of which are essential understanding within the whole counsel of God you would find that they are so lacking in good teaching.
Eternity------Billy Graham stressed that we could believe in Eternity in reading the last two chapters of Revelation.
By moving online there are preachings, sermons and Christian lectures all evidence of excellent teaching there to be enjoyed.
Many churches have fine teachers who can disseminate Scripture for the good of those listening and absorbing.
Once the EB people learn these facts they will have shown some spiritual maturity.Not every place is HAPPY CLAPPY yet some enjoy that mode of worship.
Grace and peace to them all Anonymous disciple.
Anonymous
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''we would invite one oif their ministering brothers to speak''.....and that is precisely why they DON'T-their ignorance on even the most basic Christian[not brethren-theres a huge diference] principles would be glaringly obvious.
I submit this is the real reason for ''separation'' -to keep the brethren from going to other Churches where they couldn't help but see what they've been missing-solid Bible teaching.
Anonymous
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All they have to do is be brave enough to enter an evangelical christian bookshop and purchase a book by someone such as Warren Wiersbe, Philip Yancey or John Stott. Sound bible teaching abounds! See!!
Anonymous
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unfortionately they don't go to any Christian bookstores-and why would they?-they have been told ''we have the truth'',and ''we have''teaching''no one else does.Thats just Christendom''....
Based on what I can see,I have to conclude the EB are the ''Systemized Error''that Paul warned the early Christians about.No matter what facit of EB I look at,no matter what they say-no matter what they do-it all adds up to a diabolical system that has denied the Lords name and disgraced the Christian testimony-their hypocracy is legendary.and they dare to say they ''are'' the Church-Christs sole representitive on earth.
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