This page contains entries 951 through 1000 in the guestbook. Entries were made from April 20 to September 6, 2001.
These names and addresses are posted to enable people to contact friends and loved ones. Please do not exploit this information for commercial purposes.
Need to know a few things before I can trust certain people again.
Guest: Pam Admiraal married name Danylchuk
Guest E-mail: pamela@ilos.net
City, Country: Winnipeg, Mb Canada
Date & Comments: April 20, 2001
Hello everyone.
I think this is a wonderful site. It brings back alot of memories.
I lived in Winnipeg, my parents are Art & Elsie Admiraal, family is David married Linda Howell, Margart married Warren John Griffith, Bette Anne married Gordon MacKinnon, Phil has left the Peebs.
I would love to hear from any who may remember me.
Pam
Guest: Robert Bradley
Guest E-mail: trebor@actrix.gen.nz
City, Country: Wellington, New Zealand
Date & Comments: April 22, 2001
Repeated entry for I accidentally deleted an enqyiry from sara....
Could she please repeat this enquiry with name and return address.
Unconditional love to all.
Guest: Marie Deck
Guest E-mail: mariedeck@yahoo.com
City, Country: Motueka, New Zealand
Date & Comments: April 24, 2001
Our family left the EB's in 1987, so we're now seasoned 'worldlies', but the roots are still there and it's nice to make contact with others of the same background. I'm in the UK at the moment and will be in Australia from May, for a few months with my oldest son Jerry and his family.
This website is a valuable link for so many and is much appreciated, I'm sure.
Guest: Ann Sutcliff (nee Thomas)
Guest E-mail: msandas@onetel.net.uk
City, Country: Epsom, Surrey, UK
Date & Comments: April 29, 2001
My parents were chucked out of the EB in Guildford in about 1962: Hugh and Margaret Thomas (nee Ghinn). I would be intrigued to discover any cousins on the Thomas side of my family, or anyone who knew my parents. My uncles were Geoffrey, Clifford and Alan, originally living in Purley/Croydon, Surrey.
Guest: Ann Sutcliff
Guest E-mail: msandas@onetel.net.uk
City, Country: Epsom, UK
Date & Comments: April 30, 2001
This is just to correct my previous email address
Guest: David Freeman
Guest E-mail: DAVE@WOLF79.FSNET.CO.UK
City, Country: Cambridge
Date & Comments: May 1, 2001
I was born in Cambridge and was expelled when I was 12 and they came after me when i was 18 but I had started to go to the R/C church by then and they helped me get the brethren of my back
Guest: Laurie Twinam
Guest E-mail: Laurie@twinam.fsnet.co.uk
City, Country: Sevenoaks, Kent
Date & Comments: May 2, 2001
Would Ann Sutcliff (nee Thomas) please write to Laurie Twinam (8 Pontoise Close, Sevenoaks, Kent TN13 3ES, telephone 01732 455425). I remember your parents, Ann, and tried to send you an Email, but the address quoted was rejected.
Guest: Dennis Clayton
Guest E-mail: Dennis@aquaseeding.com.au
City, Country: Melbourne Australia
Date & Comments: May 3, 2001
Dennis and Helen Clayton left in 1974 and now enjoy a very happy life.
Guest: Hannah
Guest E-mail: hang4jp@hotmail.com
City, Country: UK
Date & Comments: May 1, 2001
hi every1
Guest: Owen Grace
Guest E-mail: owengrace@iprimus.com.au
City, Country: Melboune Australia
Date & Comments: May 5, 2001
New email Address
Guest: Olaf Christiansen
Guest E-mail: olafdrp@aol.com
City, Country: Sussex
Date & Comments: May 5, 2001
We have done some business with the M's of Worthing who claim to be Chritian people. The amount of stress, worry and anger they have caused my business partner and I does not warrent them calling themselves Christian people.
Guest: K Williams
Guest E-mail: kendublu@aol.com
City, Country: Hull England
Date & Comments: May 5, 2001
I am not brethren or ex brethren but my employers are EB.
And I am intrested in there beliefs and customs,
as I find some of them hard to understand in this day and age
Guest: Jet Larwen
Guest E-mail: jetlarsen@hotmail.com
City, Country: New Zealand
Date & Comments: May 5, 2001
Hello,
On behalf of my friend I am looking for Bevan O'Kain (spelling). The last I believe he was in Auckland. Does anyone out there know where we may contact him. I know it is a big ask. You can contact me on the above email. Many thanks in Advance.
Jet
Guest: Diane Sommer
Guest E-mail: diane_sommer@hotmail.com
City, Country: Lancaster, CA
Date & Comments: May 7, 2001
Guest: Virginia Stanners
Guest E-mail: Virginiastanners@hotmail.com
City, Country: Akld New Zealand
Date & Comments: May 7, 2001
Guest: Philip Walker
Guest E-mail: PPhilipwalker
City, Country: France (foremerly Edinburgh Scotland)
Date & Comments: May 7, 2001
Dear Reader
Interesting to find the website. Having spent the first 13 years of my life in the EB's and their subculture in Edinburgh (hence the most extreme 1957 - 70) my great 'salvation' was to take off with a backpack, travel overland round the world for a couple of years. Being on £3 a day budget brought me into contact with the diversity of culture, material poverty and life experience and the whole range of social economic and political development.
As a mid teenager it was not easy to relate to 'normal' people, particularly the aspect of relationships in general, outside of the sect. My experiences helped me enormously in discharging and unlearning so much of the EB sub-culture at a young age, though to this day I am still getting rid of various aspects of Scottish protestant culture, which in my view distorts the essentials of Christianity. Resulting from this 'unlearning', there is still a vacuum, though if we're all honest a vacuum exists among us all.
Today, I live in Ardèche, France in a beautiful area. The experience of seeing so much poverty propelled me into the aid humanitarian and development profession. I studied for 4 years in the late 80's as agronomist, and spent the last 10 years in Africa, Bosnia doing rural development and the 'return of refugee' programmes for World Vision International.
Regarding the Christian faith, I believe there are no absolutes, no black and whites as taught. There are principles of course, and it is these which attempt to guide one in life, thoughts, actions.
Warm greetings
Philip Walker
Guest: Philip Walker
Guest E-mail: PPhilipwalker@aol.com
City, Country: Formerly Edinburgh
Date & Comments: May 8, 2001
Forgot my e mail address on the above message.
Here it is!
Guest: Jenny Cairns (nee Calow)
Guest E-mail: jenny.cairns@bigpond.com
City, Country: Sydney, Australia
Date & Comments: May 8, 2001
Bob and I were put out of the EB's a little over 21yrs ago, but as an old gentleman once said to us we were not 'put out' just 'released'. That's how it's been for us, the relief when we found that we no longer had to live double lives was incredible. We have had two children - Lachlan who's 21yrs and Alicia who would have been 17yrs on 11.5.01. Our beautiful Alicia was called home to be with Jesus when she was 11yrs, after suffering with leukemia for 13mths. We have been stretched through our trials and we know we have a friend who stands closer to us than a brother, Our Lord, and Saviour. 'And underneath are the everlasting arms'Only our faith in God has kept us strong and helped us through. Anyone wishing to make contact - please feel free to email me.
Special love,
jenny
Guest: S.J.McBride
Guest E-mail: sjmcbride@medix-uk.com
City, Country: London UK
Date & Comments: May 8, 2001
Mighty useful and revealing site. Much that is sad but instructive
Guest: Stephen Crawshaw
Guest E-mail: stephen@exeb.net
City, Country: Townsville, Australia
Date & Comments: May 13, 2001
Was in EBs in Sydney until 1968. Have signed this "book" before, but my e-mail address has changed. For more information about the exeb.netWORK have a look at www.exeb.net
Guest: David James
Guest E-mail: jamesd@ocean.com.au
City, Country: Melbourne Australia
Date & Comments: May 14, 2001
Stephen you should have added that www.exeb.net is a collection of folks with EB backgrounds who like to exchange views on topical issues, from sports to child-rearing. Postings are likely to be irreverent. Sacred cows may be tipped. Comments may be edgy. There is a general spirit of good will, but all subscribers are human, with all the frailties that are inherited with that condition.
There is no moderator and no rules, save those arrived at by a consensus of the subscribers and it can be fun.
David
Guest: David Freeman
Guest E-mail: dave@wolf79.fsnet.co.uk
City, Country: Cambridge
Date & Comments: May 14, 2001
If any one knows the whereabouts of Miss Bessie Freeman England or if indeed she is still alive last known where abouts North England around Newcastle area possibly Hartlepool area at times previous to that would have been Cambridge
Guest: Jonathan Mark Reeves
Guest E-mail: jonmreeves69@hotmail.com
City, Country: Bromley, Kent. England
Date & Comments: May 15, 2001
I was born into large brethren family in 1956, both parents came from brethren background.
My great-grandfather started a small meeting in Cliffe, nr Rochester, Kent, England during later part of 19th century. Grandfather, Teddy Reeves, well known locally and my father, Walter, well known throughout brethren circles today. Still alive at 83. (as at May 2001) As a family we left the Jims in 1963 and carried on as 'outs' until big system split in 1970 & 1972 meant we could link up again with family and others.
My uncle, JEFFREY REEVES (Biggleswade, England) and his family are still in and not been seen since 1965-ish. My two aunties- JOYCE SHARPE and ISABEL GREENAWAY stayed in but are now with the Lord.
Many relatives also gone to glory including my mother AVIS (d 1995) and oldest brother PETER (d 1994).
Most contemporaries lost to the world, some in churches doing great things and we ourselves in local free church ministering inside and outside of brethren gatherings (i.e. those who came out in 1972 and still going though they are few).
If there's anyone interested to know more or can tell me more please let me know.
Guest: peter m clarke
Guest E-mail: clarke trim@home .com
City, Country: Victoria, BC, Canada
Date & Comments: May 15, 2001
I was just browsing in the "PB Terms" and ran across the title "fully sanctified" which they appearently apply to the current leader, the implication being he would be beyond sin. What an absolute travesty! This is obviously an pre emptive strike to avoid the embarassing task of explaining a future "Aberdeen" where the "man of God" was caught in the sack with another man's wife, resulting in the 1970 division. Being fully aware that such activety may well surface again [it seems to be an uncanny end result to many cult leaders] they plant this "explanation" well in advance of any such occurance. However, as the it says "ye greatly err, not knowing the scriptures" such not too well disguised ploys have been tried before- the Pharasee's explained away the Lord's resurrection with a story about the disciples "stealing the Lord's body away while the watch slept, and that story was said to be current today" Just further evidence of cult like behavior.
Guest: John Barber
Guest E-mail: john.barber1@virgin.net
City, Country: England
Date & Comments: May 17, 2001
As from tomorrow 18/05/2001 the e-mail address john.barber@101010.com will not be available to me.
Please use john.barber1@virgin.net instead.
Regards
John
Guest: James P. Hanenburg
Guest E-mail: jphhhh@juno.com
City, Country: 1055 Haley Ct. Cicero, In 46034 USA
Date & Comments: May 17, 2001
Guest: Ian Markham
Guest E-mail: markhamian@hotmail.com
City, Country: Liverpool, England
Date & Comments: May 17, 2001
My parents were members of the Exclusive Brethren until they left when I was eight years old. So my connection is limited, fortunately. However, it might be of interest to know that I have gone on to study Theology at King's, London, Cambridge, and Exeter Universities. I am currently the Liverpool Professor of Theology and Public Life and will be moving to become Dean of Hartford Seminary, Connecticut.
Guest: Withheld
City, Country: Melbourne, Australia
Date & Comments: May 19, 2001
I really enjoy this web site. A particular side to the enjoyment is to see how defensive some can get about issues and attitudes freely expressed by some.
Back when I was a Peeb, this scared the hell out of me, as someone was likely to get shut up, or worse still get the chop. Now, it still seems to get as testy at time, and there is evidence that some really take themselves seriously (I suppose that someone should!), but we can now say what we like, laugh and experience complete immunity from persecution.
So to throw in my 2 cents worth about the recent debate as to Darby, I reckon that he would have been no different to John Hales, or even let's say the Big Boozie Sexually Deviate Jim at Aberdeen, if he was alive at Aberdeen or today.
The whole movement needs to [be] named for what it is - a cult. It is nothing more and it is nothing less. A bunch of warped and evil individuals trying to set up their kingdom on earth, and force a bigger bunch [of] scared, weak, insecure wimpish people to follow them.
Darby, Raven, Taylor, Taylor, Symington, Hales - what really has been the difference? Quirky little doctrinal differences dreamed up for identification and indoctrination, and a means of control by excommunicating anyone with the guts and sense to query or complain. Just check out the history - it has never been any different has it? If Darby was alive today, eh would be no different to Hales. If you think otherwise, you are deluded or deluding yourself.
Sadly there are still some of us who can't or are too weak to throw off the cloak of defensive religiousness that we loved as a Peeb. The problem is that we never made the grade to be one of the big nobs, so where ever we can get any sort of audience, such as Dick's site here, we will bleat and bully and hope that someone really thinks that we are spiritual. What a reat joke.
OK - relax.
That is what I think, and believe and have no intention of changing my mind. Someone will get upset and respond, and I will sit back as smug as a bug on a rug, and smile. Really, I think some more of us should feel the need to develop the ability to do this.
I really don't care if no other person agrees with me, or calls me a heretic as some have privately in the past. I know where I stand with my God surer than ever in my life, and noone is going to shake that.
Anyway, off to Mass - I'll say a prayer for you.
Guest: John Kennard
Guest E-mail: workwear02@bigpond.com.au
City, Country: Bathurst Australia
Date & Comments: May 19, 2001
I have changed my email address recently, and have also moved back to Bathurst, where I lived for many years. We have a shop in a major shopping centre, where we see many Brethren walking past each day. None of them look very happy, in fact most of them look downright miserable. I think many of them wish deep down that they were out of it, but don't have the courage to take that step, for the fear of losing everything.
Guest: Roger Stott
Guest E-mail: Rogerstott@onetel.net.uk
City, Country: Exeter, Devon, England
Date & Comments: May 20, 2001
I like [withheld] and have had several exchanges with him and look forward to meeting him next year but his equating of JND and the other 19th century leaders with the ignorant rabble that began with JT Jnr is very silly indeed. I have many criticisms of JND, JBS, FER and JT (and regard the whole teaching of 'separation from the world' as blasphemous nonsense which ignores the whole range of christian truth about immanence) but nevertheless respect the genuine spirit and commitment of these earlier leaders even if it was legalistic and cruel and simplistic for much of the time. Beside them the Jt Jr onwards crowd are crude and ignorant thugs who know nothing about christianity whatever. Let us keep some sense of perspective here.
Roger Stott
Guest: Oliver Bedford
Guest E-mail: oliverb@tcorp.nsw.gov.au
City, Country: Sydney, Australia (ex UK)
Date & Comments: May 20, 2001
Just a thought regarding one of [withheld]'s comments on the Exclusive leaders (19 May). JT Jr was certainly both "big" (no sin) and "boozy", but was he "sexually deviate"? Getting in the sack with somebody else's wife is generally considered to be at least naughty, and I make no excuse for it, but it hardly comes into the category of what most people would call deviation. In fact, it's all too common.
Guest: Peter M Clarke
Guest E-mail: clarketrim@home .com
City, Country: Victoria, BC, Canada
Date & Comments: May 21, 2001
While I hold no truck for the Pb's per se, [especially the leadership] it is easy to look back in hindsight and do post mortems on who said what, who was right or wrong etc, there is very little value in it, unless it influences our lives from here on forward. Once we are out from under the control of the self serving so called leadership- now what? Do we pursue a hedonistic lifestyle of self indulgence, or do we, recognising how far we had been off the track from the true christian pathway "pure and undefiled religeon, is visiting the sick, binding up the wounded, feeding the lambs, etc" While we know the Lord was teaching in the temple daily, there is really very little of the theology He taught, but on the other hand, there is a great deal of scripture devoted to how He interacted with people, there are numerous examples of His compassion, and His distress at the mess people had got into, even if it was their own sins that brought it on themselves. He shared people sorrow, and wept with them. So, I am challenged myself, how do I walk? I am no scholar, nor a preacher, but each and every one of us can be a shepherd. Each one of us will stand before the Lord at a future day, and what will be the summing up of my life? All these leaders, who created such havoc, and are still creating havoc, they will stand before the Lord too, but I shall answear for myself, as you will too. We can have interesting discussions about all that is past, but we cannot change that, and in some cases are not responsible for it, but the future lies ahead, and that is in our hands.
Guest: J. Victor Congdon
Guest E-mail: jcongdon01@snet.net
City, Country: Portland, CT. USA
Date & Comments: May 21, 2001
[withheld]....not bad.....even good. "Big Boozie Sexually Deviate Jim at Aberdeen" This is not slander it is fact, truth, witnessed truth.....but do we speak against the dead?
I say YES when they have done so much damage to so many people. And, some of my people have taken their lives because of this foolishness.
As for those who want to be "Big Nobs" well it's too late. You missed your calling and [withheld], sit back, relax and enjoy. I will.
Spineless men let it happen. Spineless men cause much damage. Spineless men struggle with Darby, and the others. The things done in the name of Darby is incredible. Who cares about what Darby thought or taught? What do you believe??????? What are you teaching....doing??????
Roger....right on......"crude and ignorant thugs who know nothing about christianity whatever."
Oliver, the sack in Aberdeen was just one event. DEVIATE is the correct word. Just for starters, He put our women through hell enforcing his fetishes. Maybe you were never there....I was. There is much more. Do you believe in the ambush theory?????
Ok, so relax.
Tell me, really now, what are you doing? What do you really believe? Are you standing on your own two feet? Are you only depending upon others?
Only by grace, Victor
Guest: Ted Fry
Guest E-mail: titus21314@hotmail.com
City, Country: Summerville, South Carolina, USA
Date & Comments: May 22, 2001
Questions on recent entries by Roger Stott and [withheld]:-
Roger,
do you mean that "separation from the world" as the 'jims' practiced it is "blasphemous nonsense"?.....in which case I can understand. But if you mean that it is not scriptural, how is it that Paul boasted in the cross of Christ by which "I am crucified to the world and the world to me"? What is more separating than death, here by the cross? Was he a blasphemer? This is not only a doctrinal issue, but influences our life style and testimony for Christ.
[withheld],
how can you be sure of your stand with God when you celebrate the Mass (assumed to be Roman Catholic)? Because of their belief in transubtantiation (wafer & wine actually changed to body & blood of Christ), this ritual effectively symbolizes the offering up of Christ in death repeatedly, contrary to Rom. 6:9,10. It is the same as saying that the atoning value of Christ's death is only good until the next Mass. It is no wonder that these folks think they have to have an earthly pseudo-Aaronic priest to offer it. The Christian's Melchisadek high priest has offered once for all, and any need to repeat shows the priesthood and offering are worthless and spurious. Heb.9:24-28.
Christ having been crucified, buried, risen and glorified shows that the Mass is as idolatrous as any pagan religious ritual in this day of grace. (Gal.4:8-10) Paul even pronounces a curse on one who brings this kind of message. (Gal.1:8,9)
Guest: Grace M. Freeborn Harris
Guest E-mail: elh007@aol.com
Date & Comments: May 23, 2001
If there is anyone out there who remembers me, you sure wouldn't know me now. I am married with
three children, two boys, ages 15 and 12-1/2 and a girl, 7. I am graduating next week from our community college and starting at SUNY Geneseo in the Fall for a degree in mathematics with secondary education certification. Once I am finished there, hopefully in two years, I will begin teaching while I get my Master's degree. Hopefully, I will teach at our junior college. Life is great outside of the "meeting". Grace Harris (Freeborn)
Guest: Philip G Kerkham
Guest E-mail: jackie.kerkham@blueyonder.co.uk
City, Country: Surrey, England
Date & Comments: May 24, 2001
I've signed in before, but I can now be contacted through my wife's email address. I would welcome contact from anyone who knew me or my family. Especially if you have news of my Mother, Grace Kerkham nee Gillmore, or my brother and his children. I know that they are living in the Sunbury area, and last I heard was that my mother was still alive.
Tel. 020 8391 9036 (home answering machine)
07836 584 282 (mobile phone)
For those that are in and considering leaving. Have faith, there is a good quality of life to have out here, even if it is different to what you have known.
Guest: Daniel Lee
Guest E-mail: LimeyBrit@aol.com
City, Country: Durham, NC
Date & Comments: May 24, 2001
Dear Ted (Ted Fry, SC)
So, pretending that you are travelling to [withheld]'s town, and pretending that there is no other church to attend but his, would you be prepared to go along and just not participate in the communion bit of the service?
Thanks
Daniel
Guest: Roger Stott
Guest E-mail: Rogerstott@onetel.net.uk
City, Country: Exeter, Devon, England
Date & Comments: May 24, 2001
This is in animated response to Ted Fry (on whom be peace).
No, not just the Jims, the principle of separation from the world as it is taught and practised by exclusive brethren in all their sectarian varieties is arrogant, simplistic and subversive of christian teaching. My 'Frost' mother lives with my 'Renton' sister. They love each other (and I dearly love both of them) yet because of some foolish pharasaical difference (straining out the gnat and swallowing down the camel) between the two tiny fellowships they can't break bread together. If it wasn't so sad it would be worthy of a comic novel. Evelyn Waugh would have loved it as source material. So would Nancy Mitford. And Stella Gibbons. (But you'll have to wait for my (lesser but OK) novel on the subject - which is three quarters finished.)
The model for christian life (which EBs have always subverted and denied) is the life of Jesus. [withheld] says we should 'follow in his steps'. Brethren have gone into paroxysms of specious argument to deny this and to set an agenda which suits their masochistic, dull, sterile, life-denying tunnel vision. They seem to have been determined to be the Pharisees of the present age. And anyone knows what Jesus said to the Pharisees about their attitudes and their prim arrogance.
Transcendence is a part of the christian life but it has to be matched by the equal truth of immanence. And THAT is something that brethren have totally ignored. The saddest thing to me is EBs who leave the Hales sect but learn no lessons and carry on with a pale imitation of all that damp-handed pathetically silly posturing. And still (in their innermost being) believe that they are the ONLY ONES WHO ARE RIGHT. It's enough to drive you to drink. There was no 'recovery', no 'light of the assembly' - just a sterile, boring, sad little cul-de-sac. Which, in the end, blew up. And ruined many lives in the process. I am grateful that my five wonderful children were too young to be tainted before 1970.
With blessings upon all of you, however prim and hide-bound you may be,
My friends we will not go again or ape an ancient rage,
Or stretch the folly of our youth to be the shame of age,
But walk with clearer eyes and ears this path that wandereth,
And see undrugged in evening light the decent inn of death:
For there is good news yet to hear and fine things to be seen,
Before we go to Paradise by way of Kensal Green.
Roger (I used to be a 'ministering brother' before I discovered Shakespeare and Yeats and Mozart and Rembrandt) Stott
Guest: Oliver Bedford
Guest E-mail: oliverb@tcorp.nsw.gov.au
City, Country: Sydney, Australia (ex UK)
Date & Comments: May 25, 2001
Roger's comment about the "recovery" (May 24) reminds me of something I find very strange: that the early PB's - certainly the Exclusives - had a revelation that one shouldn't worship the third person of the Trinity (the Holy Spirit), in direct contradiction of 1800 years of Christian practice and the specific statement in the Nicene Creed (circa 330 AD); and that J Taylor Senior in the 1940's then had a new revelation which broadly speaking reverted to the orthodox pre-Darby position on this matter.
Was God just playing a big joke between 1830 and 1940 (let's see if they swallow this one !), or is the critical faculty just dormant in the EB's, aided by wilful ignorance of anything before the "recovery"?
Well, obviously the latter, and I agree with Roger that it's enough to drive one to drink! (preferably gin and tonic, not scotch).
Oliver
Guest: John Weightman
Guest E-mail: JWeigh6523@aol.com
Date & Comments: May 25, 2001
This is mainly in reply to Roger.
Roger, you know that, like yourself, after being ejected, I spent a lot of time researching things Christian but coming to a different conclusion to you. I remain (or should I say have become) a Christian. However, I find myself largely (but not entirely) in agreement with you in what you say above. I will quote an American writer, Philip Jancey, who in his book "What's so amazing about grace?" wrote "2000 years ago Jesus Christ had the reputation of being a friend of tax-gatherers and sinners. 2000 years later the church is in danger of losing that reputation."
Best wishes
John
Guest: anon
Date & Comments: May 25, 2001
Rog,
If you're going to quote something that is totally irrelevant, you might as well quote the whole thing:
The Rolling English Road
Before the Roman came to Rye or out to Severn strode,
The rolling English drunkard made the rolling English road.
A reeling road, a rolling road, that rambles round the shire,
And after him the parson ran, the sexton and the squire;
A merry road, a mazy road, and such as we did tread
The night we went to Birmingham by way of Beachy Head.I knew no harm of Bonaparte and plenty of the Squire,
And for to fight the Frenchman I did not much desire;
But I did bash their baggonets because they came arrayed
To straighten out the crooked road an English drunkard made,
Where you and I went down the lane with ale-mugs in our hands,
The night we went to Glastonbury by way of Goodwin Sands.His sins they were forgiven him; or why do flowers run
Behind him; and the hedges all strengthening in the sun?
The wild thing went from left to right and knew not which was which,
But the wild rose was above him when they found him in the ditch.
God pardon us, nor harden us; we did not see so clear
The night we went to Bannockburn by way of Brighton Pier.My friends, we will not go again or ape an ancient rage,
-- G.K. Chesterton
Or stretch the folly of our youth to be the shame of age,
But walk with clearer eyes and ears this path that wandereth,
And see undrugged in evening light the decent inn of death;
For there is good news yet to hear and fine things to be seen,
Before we go to Paradise by way of Kensal Green.
Guest: Roger Stott
Guest E-mail: Rogerstott@onetel.net.uk
City, Country: Exeter, Devon, England
Date & Comments: May 25, 2001
Dear Anon (what have you got to lose by revealing your name? I'm intrigued.)
Thanks for the rest of the Chesterton but I'm really sorry that you couldn't see its relevance to what I was saying. Read it again, and think about it.
love and blessings
Roger
Guest: Phil & Miriam Mortimer
Guest E-mail: Philmortimer@netscape.net
City, Country: Brighton UK
Date & Comments: May 25, 2001
We left in 1974 because we could no longer be hypocrites in giving lip service week on week to something to which we were no longer committed. It was particularly hard for Miriam as her mother was dying, and she was only told of her death after the funeral was over. I to this day do not 'know' that my parents are dead or where they are buried; I was obviously considered to be beyond redemption or totally unworthy or even receiving basic humanity. I respect the tenets of the brethren even though it wasn't for me, but Ifeel very bitter that Idid not receive the most basic human courtesy to be told of my beloved parents' deaths. I don't blame this on the teaching;p I accuse the persons who apply it in a legalistic, narrow minded way.
Philip Mortimer
Guest: Morag Thorpe
Guest E-mail: www.moragt@cpthorpe.co.uk
City, Country: Ashtead, Surrey, England
Date & Comments: May 27, 2001
I grew up in Sidcup, Kent with a best friend (Claire Lyons) a member of EB. Spoke to her a few years ago. She now lives in Bromley, Kent with husband called Daniel and 5 kids.
I am a writer and am considering writing a play about an EB community. Any ideas, experiences welcome, particularly interested in persecution, cruelty, family divisions etc.
Guest: Guy Wilson
Guest E-mail: grwilson55@hotmail.com
City, Country: Tunbridge Wells Kent England
Date & Comments: May 28, 2001
Someone has just told me how to access the Guestbook once again. I think I used it a few years ago when I stumbled across it. I am still alive and kicking and would like to thank Mr Wyman for setting this up.
Guest: Merle Dobbie (nee Blake)
Guest E-mail: rennuscrossley@hotmail.com
City, Country: Melbourne Australia
Date & Comments: May 28, 2001
I left the brethren to marry Bill Dobbie many years ago. I would really like to hear some news of my brother Neville's children-Gillian, Valerie, Suzanne and Philip. If anyone can tell me who they married or anything at all about them I would be most grateful.
Guest: Victor Congdon
Guest E-mail: jcongdon01@snet.net
City, Country: Portland, CT USA
Date & Comments: May 30, 2001
John has read Philip Yancey, "What's so amazing about grace." Right on. A great book.
Roger has found Shakespeare, Yeats, Mozart and Rembrandt. Not bad either.
But John found a good author, Philip Yancey.
Please everyone who reads this guestbook or comes to this great web site PLEASE read Philip Yancey's book titled, "Where is God when it Hurts."
Millions have read it. Don't miss out.
Only by grace, Victor
Guest: Selwyn Wallace
Guest E-mail: wallacegroup@ozemail.com.au
City, Country: Australia
Date & Comments: May 29, 2001
Dear Friends, Please note my new email adress which is now
wallacegroup@ozemail.com.au Regards to all. Selwyn Wallace
Guest: McGaveston, Yvonne
Guest E-mail: yvonne.mcg@paradise.net.nz
City, Country: Hibiscus Coast New Zealand
Date & Comments: June 3, 2001
Guest: Darrell and Wendy (Parsons) Chessum
Guest E-mail: chessum@netzero.net
City, Country: Manhattan Beach, CA. USA
Date & Comments: June 4, 2001
New e-mail address
Guest: John Puxty
Guest E-mail: johnpuxty@hotmail.com
Date & Comments: June 5, 2001
I am sure some of you will remember my father - William (Will) Puxty. Sadly he passed away on Sunday, 20 May aged 88 years old. He, together with my mother, left the 'Jim Taylor' Brethren in 1974. They had been with the Sheffield (England) assembly which actually met in Doncaster. My mother and father had been continuing a Brethren meeting on their own in Retford right up until my father's death. In fact he had a massive heart attack as he was getting dressed ready for the Morning Meeting. Some of the Brethren my parents have been walking with went to Retford for his burial - a very moving and loving occasion. My sister and two brothers who are still with the 'Jim Taylor' Brethren were present in the cemetery but stood at least 50 yards away, and with a chaperone!
Guest: Russ McDonald
Guest E-mail: russ.mcdonald@gems2.gov.bc.ca
City, Country: Victoria, BC, Canada
Date & Comments: June 5, 2001
I have heard thru a reliable source that Exclusive Brethren (Hales cult in Western Canada) are allowing their children to get some very rudimentary computer learning thru their public school attendance.
Evidently at school, the EB children are now allowed to use a keyboard, but not the mouse. Someone else must manipulate the mouse with the EB child's hand on top of theirs.
It was earlier reported that the EB children could "view" the computer operation, but not touch. I see this slight change as a bit of a positive thing given the whole sad situation.
Here in Canada, computer learning is part of the mandated "approved curriculum", I suspect the EB's relenting are at least partially to avoid legal issues with School Boards/Trustees. Who knows what happens in their own private schools.
My source went on to say that the EB's may be grudgingly and slowly entering the computer age as they evidently now allow some computer use on very old, first or second generation hardware/software.
I wondered if anybody else had heard similar happening in other parts of the world?
Regards, Russ
Guest: pmclarke
Guest E-mail: clarketrim@home .com
Date & Comments: June 6, 2001
Russ, as you well know, when any sect, cult, whatever, gets away from the essense of Christianity, they inevitably start coming up with all sorts of absurd conclusions. This isn't limited to exlusive PB's, although they have had a good run at it. The radio was outlawed because it had no wires [the devil was the prince and power of the air], early air travel was to be frowned on for similar reasons. Smoking was evil because it was somehow against the "Spirit", [although drinking whisky was OK because it was a "creature of God". I'm not sure why computors are "evil" but it resulted in the pb's banning garage door openers, but I'm not sure how they view computorized ignition in cars. Somehow cell phones are wrong too, probably for the same reason radios are wrong- no wires, but I don't know how they rationalize the fact that even in the regular wired phone system, all long distance uses Wireless technology. I remember they said man would never be allowed to land on the moon, because the moon was a "type of the assembly". However, lest we think they have a corner on these edicts, remember the Mennonites banned buttons on clothing, because the devil could hang on to them, and they had to use hooks and eyes. The Shakers banned all sex [they only lasted one generation, couldn't figure out why] The list, although somewhat humourous at times, goes on and on, and points out that when any group gets away from the Christian mandate, of preaching the gospel of salvation and looking after the fatherless and widows and the weak and the sick, the things the Lord showed by example, the door is wide open to just about anything. The question is, what am I doing?
Guest: Graeme Hubbard
Guest E-mail: mmcclure@ihug.co.nz
City, Country: Christchurch New Zealand
Date & Comments: June 7, 2001
Just learnt about this site, been out for 27 years seems nothing has changed, family [mother and brother] still in. Reading the guest list theres a few old faces I remember. Hi to everyone. Started to organise the "peeb' reunion 3 or 4 years ago. Those who carried on and made it a happening thing in Palmeston North need to be congratulated. Hope we can have another one soon. Cheers
Guest: Cedric Ghinn
Guest E-mail: ghinnsigns@aol.com
City, Country: London England
Date & Comments: June 7, 2001
Interested in making contact with any friends or saints from the past. No big deal.
Guest: Ted Fry
Guest E-mail: titus21314@hotmail.com
City, Country: Summerville, South Carolina, USA
Date & Comments: June 8, 2001
Answer to Roger Stott's entry 5/24/01-
Thank you for wishing me peace. I do have peace with God and the peace of God, and I wish you the same. I am sorry to know that your sister and mother are not free to have fellowship. However this unscriptural teaching and practice bears no resemblance to the basic principle enunciated in Darby's "Separation from Evil, God's Principle of Unity". I have fellowship with many Christians from different groups as long as they are, to our knowledge, fundamental in doctrine (person and work of Christ) and upright in walk, but we do not all agree on non-fundamental issues.
Certainly the life of Jesus is the pattern for us and so is Paul (1Cor.11:1,2Cor.6:14-7:1).
Guest: Laurie Twinam
Guest E-mail: Laurie@twinam.fsnet.co.uk
Date & Comments: June 10, 2001
Despite all its grave negatives, there was a bright aspect to 'Aberdeen' for which we should be very thankful. It was an exposure of gross evil, but at the same time the real Truth shone like a beacon.
Perverted minds claimed then, against all the evidence, that 'the man of God is pure'. But many hearts were during that very crisis reclaimed for Jesus Christ 'Who knew no sin' and 'in Whom sin is not' It was a time for humbling and self-judgement, and for making fresh commitments to the Lord. And it was a time for learning very deep lessons - not to put our trust in princes (however gifted or attractive their personalities) but in the Lord Himself.
Yes, there were some who were so deeply shocked that they seemed to lose their Christian faith. And still today there are some who have turned away from Christianity, and give 'Aberdeen' or other sad experiences as a reason. Alas, some such may never have tasted the sweetness of God's forgiveness in the first place.
We have an enemy, a master-deceiver, who is still very busy. If we are not watchful we can easily become one of his unwitting agents, part of his evil empire. I would implore all readers of this site, especially those who may recently have escaped from slavery, to give the highest priority to the inspired words of Scripture. Here are some which are especially impressed on my mind as I write, and two of these passages are the words of |Jesus Himself:
The Son of Man has come to seek and save that which is lost (Luke 19.10)
The grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us ... (Titus 2.11-12)
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding (Prov 3.5)
When your eye is good (or 'single') your whole body also is full of light (Luke 11.34)
Guest: Peter Henry Legge
Guest E-mail: peter.legge@btinternet.com
City, Country: Chester, Cheshire, England
Date & Comments: June 11, 2001
I still have very profound and happy memories of meeting days with the NCC lads at the Wrexham barracks who filled our Meeting Room in Frodsham Street, Chester years ago.
I left the exclusives in 1962 soon after my dad spoke against the goings on prior to leaving them himself.
Guest: Mark Thornett
Guest E-mail: Mark@thornett12.freeserve.co.uk
City, Country: Swindon, Wiltshire, UK
Date & Comments: June 12, 2001
Dear Mary Evans Or anyone else who recognises my name. I happened to be looking through the Exclusive Guest Book and noticed an entry by you dating back to 98 asking about all the Guest Children. It's just that I grew up with them all, and Ben was one of my best friends. We used to all play together and spent a lot of time at their house. My parents were put out of the EB's many years ago. But I still remember it very well and often think of those that I grew up with. Joe and Chris Morton were like uncles to me when I was a kid, in some ways I would be very surprised if they were still in ? If you did find out anything about any of them I would be very interested. My name is Mark Thornett (formally of Winchester) I am married with three children and now live in Swindon Wiltshire (I believe that Susan and Andrew also live in Swindon and are still in the EB's, although I have never met them)
You will find my email attached I look forward to hopefully hearing from you or anyone else who knows me in the near future.
yours sincerely
Mark Thornett
Guest: Ann Potter
Guest E-mail: annp@unimelb.edu.au
City, Country: Sunbury, Australia
Date & Comments: June 14, 2001
Are Closed Bretherens the same as Exclusive Bretherens.
A mother and baby that belong to the Closed Bretherans in Sunbury were killed in a house fire last week and I was just curious to know if they belong to the same thing.
Guest: Ann Potter
Guest E-mail: annp@unimelb.edu.au
City, Country: Sunbury, Australia
Date & Comments: June 16, 2001
Followup
Thanks for all of the replies, the name of the mother killed in the fire was Eleanor (Hornsey) Jones (thanks Dick, her husband (Nelson) and other 6 children escaped the fire.
The fire started when she was using dry cleaning solvent near a gas water heater, she didn't have much of a chance of survival, the baby was trapped in a pram in the lounge area, I believe.
I originally posted so that I could provide some support to the firefighter that found the bodies of the deceased, he had trouble coming to grips with why he couldn't find out about funeral proceedings.
Thanks to everyone that has replied to my message, it has given me quite a lot of information to forward to the firefighter.
Ann
Guest: Witheld
Date & Comments: June 18, 2001
Here is an extract from a letter I received from a family member last week :
We cannot, and do not, take any high ground. We are sinnerssaved by His grace, and are thankful for the universal fellowship, involving, as you know, the 2 Timothy 2 way. We often long after many that have been deceived from simplicity as to the Christ. We are assured, as Dad often said, that God will have the victory - even numerically; The answer to the Lord's current voice is what the devil is against.
Is the phrase
Guest: pmclarke
Guest E-mail: clarketrim@home .com
Date & Comments: June 18, 2001
I believe that excerpt from the letter basically describes the major flaws in the PB's. The term "universal fellowship" is a denial of the breakdown, and is in fact a sectarian position, reinforcing their claim they are the "Church".
The 2 timothy 2 position they claim of "withdrawing from evil" is one of the most serious charges of all, as they treat other belivers as "evil", denying the work of God in other believers' souls, and this is an affront to the finished work of Christ on the cross.
The claim of having the "current voice of the Lord" is probably the most dangerous of all, and one of the major charactoristics of a cult- a ''special message from God that no one else has''This probably goes back to JT.sr, who I believe taught that the leaders were in direct communication with devine persons, and as such their ministry was "authoritative" bringing it onto the same grounds as scripture. That doctrine opens the door to any amount of error, putting them on apostolic grounds.
As far as deception is concerned, these folks are well and truelly deceived, when they place the words of their leaders above scripture. A good test to any teaching or doctrine is- show me in the scriptures where it says that? Not, "well, beloved xyz said that in volume 123", or "we have always been taught that" or "this is the current voice of the Spirit". If we had stuck to verifying whatever was said by "searching the scriptures to see if these things were so", we would have spared ourselves a lot of grief, and others too. A pretty simple guide, really, and one you can count on. It's all there in the book, it always was.
Guest: Bruce Lewis
Guest E-mail: bl@keyplas.co.nz
City, Country: Auckland New Zealand
Date & Comments: June 19, 2001
Left the church in 1975 - Christchurch
Fortunately family came too. Now enjoy the creation from a boat on Sundays!!
Guest: Russier, Jeremy
Guest E-mail: jrussier@club-internet.fr
City, Country: France
Date & Comments: June 20, 2001
It's a very interesting site and I hope I will meet other EBs there.
Guest: Richard
Date & Comments: June 20, 2001
In answer to Withheld:
2 Cor 11:3
But I fear lest by any means, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craft, [so] your thoughts should be corrupted from simplicity as to the Christ. [Darby]
But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. [NIV]
Hope it makes sense now...
Guest: Philip and Hazel White (formely Hazel Parker)
Guest E-mail: PhilipandHazel@lineone.net
City, Country: England
Date & Comments: June 21, 2001
Philip and Hazel would be glad to hear from anyone who knows them.
We have four children Stephanie Ashley Tristan and Clara.
We left the EB in 1970 with our parents, and now go to a small brethren meeting, in Worthing West Sussex. We would be pleased to hear from anyone and please feel free to contact us.
We are both commited to the christian pathway and follow our Lord Jesus Christ, and seek to be here for him. We would say to anyone who has left, or is thinking of leaving don't give up the Lord he has his people in diffrent places, and not just the Taylor system,as some may be brought up to think.
Guest: Becky Stewart
Guest E-mail: bstewart@idahopower.com
City, Country: Boise, ID
Date & Comments: June 22, 2001
I was raised in a Brethren fellowship in Regina in the 1980's until the age of 12. At that point my parents began to understand the concept of grace and the destructive hold that legalism had on them, and our family began to realize that there were other Christians in the world. While I am thankful beyond measure for my knowledge of the Bible that resulted from that upbringing, I am even more greatful for how God lead our family out into the freedom of his Grace.
I am interested to converse with other people my age who were raised among the Brethren.
Guest: Graeme Hubbard
Guest E-mail: mmcclure@ihug.co.nz
City, Country: Christchurch New Zealand
Date & Comments: June 25, 2001
Calling Bruce Lewis . Tried to email you but it came back with wrong address. Just thought I'd get in touch Regards Graeme
Guest: Sue Wright
Guest E-mail: antoj@bigpond.com
City, Country: Newcastle, NSW
Date & Comments: June 25, 2001
I have a new email address
Guest: Cecil & Mildred Gaw
Guest E-mail: cecilgaw@belfast147.freeserve.co.uk
City, Country: Belfast UK Northern Ireland
Date & Comments: June 27, 2001
We were in the exclusive brethren from 1952 until 1970 in Belfast, so can speak from experience. Many of our relations are still in the EB system. We have experienced the hurt of being totally rejected by families that before were so close and loving. We pray regularly for all of these as well as for the salvation of those who are in that system but not saved. We have written to many of our relations assuring them of our Christian love, care and prayers but they do not reply. We have also asked them to comment on some items of "ministry" ( J H Symington Vol 40 pages 132 - 139 including 6 verses of a drinking song published in full. J T jnr "Readings at Nostrand Ave Vol 2 Pages 108/109. Including blasphemous linking of the name EL with hell.)
We have sent them photocopies from their own books.
We have pointed out to them the unscriptural practise of children who are not believers partaking of what is taught to be the Lord's supper. Remembering our blessed Lord and Saviour in this way is only for those who have come to the Lord Jesus in repentance and faith at a time in their lives.
Allowing young children to "break bread" was a very serious evil with sad consequences. Do these dear young ones ever realise that they are guilty, lost sinners before a holy God and need to accept that great salvation that God has provided in His great love for this sinful Human race through the sacrifice and death of His only begotten Son. John 3 V 16 " For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." Commitment to a system never can be a substitute for God's salvation.
It would appear from the comments of some who have left the EB system that they were never saved. It has been so encouraging to read of some who have come to know the Lord Jesus as their own and personal Saviour since leaving.
If we could go over a few things that we found to be helpful when we left they may be of some benefit to some who view this website.
We do trust that these truths held sincerely will be of help to some people. We have experienced the hurt of being rejected by families that before were so close and loving. What a privilege it is to know one who loves us and will never leave us or forsake us. One who proved His love by dying for us at Calvary. How precious to be able to say along with the apostle Paul; "The Son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me." Galations 2 v 20.
We should be glad to hear from anyone by e-mail or letter (Address 147 Kings Road Belfast BT5 7EG, N Ireland).
With Christian love
Cecil & Mildred Gaw.
Guest: Rhonda Riwhi (nee Turley)
Guest E-mail: mooland14@yahoo.co.nz
City, Country: Hamilton, New Zealand
Date & Comments: July 1, 2001
Hi everyone! I left the fellowship along with the rest of my family in 1986. Mum and Dad are Roger and Thelma Turley, my brother Kevin and my sister Lorraine. I am now married with three beautiful boys, aged ten, eight, and two. We live and work on a dairy farm ten minutes out of Hamilton.
Guest: Philip Gillmore Kerkham
Guest E-mail: jackie.kerkham@blueyonder.co.uk
City, Country: 35 Ravenswood Ave, Surbiton, Surrey, England KT6 7NN
Date & Comments: July 3, 2001
It is with regret that I inform you of the death of my dear mother Grace Kerkham nee Gillmore 16th July 1913 - 2nd July 2001.
Due to Mother and my brother remaining in fellowship with the Exclusives I had rarely seen my Mother in the last 30 years. My brother Andrew kindly informed me the day after she died and allowed me to visit his home and say my goodbyes. For this I am extremely grateful.
Guest: Sharon New Zealand
City, Country: c/-Post shop Countermail Pioneer Highway Palmerston North
Date & Comments: July 4, 2001
My grandmother's name was Rhona Bailey (Crombie) My fathers name was Edward Raymond Randolf, he was born in Papatoetoe, Auckland in 1942 and registered 'Timson'. I have met James Timson and he is not my real Grandfather. My grandmother had a second child, Gordon born approx 2 years later. Gordon was adopted to an 'Ashworth' family in Australia. Edward and Gordon had the same father. I am after any info that might lead me to my real grandfather or his/my family. James Timson believed my grandfather's name to be Mark 'Black', 'Blackmore' or 'Blackwell'? If anyone has any info Please write. My chosen surname is New Zealand.
Guest: BARTHELEMY, Roméo & Viviane
Guest E-mail: romeobarthelemy@voila.fr
City, Country: ALES, FRANCE
Date & Comments: July 6, 2001
Guest: Bruce Lewis
Guest E-mail: keyplascontracts@extra.co.nz
City, Country: Auckland New Zealand
Date & Comments: July 9, 2001
Hi Graeme
Guest: Robyn & Dawn Simpkin
Guest E-mail: robynpuru@xtra.co.nz
City, Country: Auckland New Zealand
Date & Comments: July 10, 2001
Excommunicated 1964
Guest: Jackie Kerkham
Guest E-mail: jackie.kerkham@blueyonder.co.uk
City, Country: Surbiton, England
Date & Comments: July 12, 2001
Dear Dick
Guest: Oliver Bedford
Guest E-mail: oliverb@tcorp.nsw.gov.au
City, Country: Sydney, Australia (ex UK)
Date & Comments: July 13, 2001
I too have been receiving the scam emails from Africa, which confirms that these crooks are using this site as a source of information. Hopefully anyone who is sensible enough to be "ex" the Jims is also sufficiently sensible to ignore these ridiculous proposals. And my regards to Phil Kerkham, who is in my photo album from the 1960's !
Guest: Adrian Sloan
Guest E-mail: Carolandadrian@sloan52.fsnet.co.uk
City, Country: Bristol, England
Date & Comments: July 13, 2001
to Philip & Hazel White - I tried to write to you, but the e-mail came back with 'address unknown'. Please get in touch
Guest: Peter & Alys Hedges
Guest E-mail: ph_aw_hedges@hotmail.com
Date & Comments: July 22, 2001
Guest: Eleanor A.W.
Guest E-mail: via dwyman@cloudnet.com for EleanorAW
City, Country: Cardiff, Wales
Date & Comments: July 23, 2001
I have found the site extremely useful and interesting. I am researching for my father and would like to hear from anyone who is manic depressive and links this to upbringing within the Exclusive Plymouth Brethren, particularly if they have written autobiographical material about their experience.
Also, anyone who has any helpful suggestions for his potentially publishing his autobiography - how to go about this, etc.
Guest: Carlos Gabriel Pino
Guest E-mail: gabrielpino@tutopia.com
City, Country: Rosario, Argentina
Date & Comments: July 24, 2001
I'd like to get in touch with people who has been involved or affected by The Exclusive Brethren.
Guest: Mary Evans
Guest E-mail: marye@ananzi.co.za
City, Country: Johannesburg, South Africa
Date & Comments: July 24, 2001
Hi, please note the new email address!
Guest: Shirley Spacek
Guest E-mail: ESTDL48@AOL.com
City, Country: Staten Island, New York 10306, USA
Date & Comments: July 24, 2001
I tried to do this before but I don't think it "took". I was with the PB's on Staten Island from 1948 (the year I was married) to 1960, when the Lord graciously opened my eyes to see I had been trusting this religious position instead of REALLY trusting Him. After leaving, my husband and I found a world of genuine Christianity and revelled in our new freedom in Christ. My husband died 6 years ago after many years of fruitful service to the Lord.
Guest: Andy Brown
Guest E-mail: Ambro@bluep.com
City, Country: Melbourne, Australia
Date & Comments: July 25, 2001
Folks,
Andy Brown
Guest: Carol Lewis
Guest E-mail: clewis@owensglobal.com
Date & Comments: July 25, 2001
Hullo to all. Is there anyone out there that has come out of the Brethren from Nelson, New Zealand, in the last 20 years? If so, I would love to hear from you.
Thank you for this site, it is a great way to keep in touch.
Guest: Anon for now
Guest E-mail: pinkscarlett@hotmail.com
Date & Comments: July 26, 2001
I would really appreciate any information I can get on the LEEMAN family. I think they were originally from Ireland, then moved to South Africa, and some of the children returned to Ireland as adults. As far as I know there were several children... Edmund, Peter, Dick, Tom, Mary (or May), Eliza... CAN ANYONE HELP?
Guest: James Bell
Guest E-mail: james-enid@lineone.net
City, Country: Sheffield. South Yorks. England.
Date & Comments: July 29, 2001
I would like to hear from NCCs who were at Hermitage camp Wrexham in 1951, Wollaton park Camp in Nottingham 1951-1952 and Proteus Camp Ollerton Notts. 1951-1953
Pte. Bell NCC.22495034 Sir! James Bell.
Guest: Guy Wilson
Guest E-mail: grwilson45@btinternet.com
Date & Comments: July 29, 2001
My e-mail address has changed to grwilson45@btinternet.com.
Guest: James Bell
Guest E-mail: james-enid@lineone.net
City, Country: Sheffield. South Yorks. England.
Date & Comments: July 31, 2001
I was brought up in a large exclusive brethren family, in Exeter, Devon, England.
I had six brothers and five sisters.
During World War Two, we had regular food Parcils from brethren around the world. In order of regularity it was New Zealand, Austrila, Canada and the USA. My Mother used to write to the senders My questions are these, Who organised this service? as it was of an International nature. My parents did not submit the family to the list Are there any other Families who can recall receiving parcils? Do you know of any Brethren who sent Food Parcils? And were other Countries included. James Bell.
Guest: Oliver Bedford
Guest E-mail: oliverb@tcorp.nsw.gov.au
City, Country: Sydney, Australia (ex UK)
Date & Comments: August 2, 2001
Regarding James's enquiry on food parcels, I can't remember our family receiving any "brethren" food parcels, but I do clearly recall receiving one at school, as did the rest of our class of 5 year-old kids (1950). Our teacher explained that the parcels were from our "cousins" in Australia, and of course it gave me a very positive impression of this country.
Guest: Bob Jackson
Guest E-mail: oldbelvedere@hotmail.com
City, Country: Esperance Western Australia
Date & Comments: August 3, 2001
Been out nearly four years now. Traumatic baptism of fire but ok now. Dying to hear from peers. Please email or chat
Guest: Esther McLean
Guest E-mail: estim8or4u@icqmail.com
City, Country: Hastings, New Zealand
Date & Comments: August 4, 2001
Hi to everyone
Just wondering how everyone is getting on - and if there are many ex-ebs living in the Hastings/Napier area. Ive met Valerie Smith and Neil and Lynne, and if there are any others then id like to meet them, as ive been going thru a rough patch in life and things are not very easy at the moment. My boyfriend and I have split up and now I have no one to turn to, and feel very vunerable and very much alone. If anyone can help me I'd be very appreciative.
Guest: Pignon Nadège
Guest E-mail: milca007@aol.com
City, Country: Le chambon / FRANCE
Date & Comments: August 4, 2001
Hi!
I left every thing!? in January 2001. Now I feel better and better, life is so good!!!
This site is very coooooooool.
To every one who wants to speak, be free.
Bye!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guest: pmclarke
Guest E-mail: clarke trim@home .com
Date & Comments: August 5, 2001
Peter-you asked if your "insurance policy" still applied as you we now an unbeliever- and yes, it does, my friend- because the premiums were paid for you- on Calvary's cross 2000 years ago.
As far as you are saying you are now an "unbliever"-what did you believe in? Was it the fact that our Lord loved you enough to die on Calvary's cross for your sins, or was it a human organization that had long departed from the christian mandate of telling [sometimes in words, but mainly by deed] that Jesus loves us, is aware of us individually and some day, we don't know when, He's coming back again [which is no farther away than the end of our individual life at the longest]
One of my main excercises and concerns is the number of people who were "in fellowship" quite likely born and brought up in the meeting, with no real link with the Lord. The cult like mass following demands blind unquestioning adherance to their false leadership, built on pride and false pretences, holding themselves out to be the "Church" of Christ, where in fact, they are the blind leading the blind. What a sad and tragic commentary on a group that once had its roots in the gospel of Jesus Christ! The numbers of disillusioned people leaving are proof of the scriptures written so long ago refering to the Pharisees "they bind on burdens hard to bear, and will not lift them with their finger" How far are they from "Come unto me, all ye who are weary and I shall give you rest" or, "Come now, and let us reason together, though your sins are as scarlet, they shall be washed as clean as the snow."
Guest: Edwin & Pamela Hopkins (nee Green)
Guest E-mail: edwin@ephopkins.freeserve.co.uk
City, Country: Hove, Sussex, England
Date & Comments: August 5, 2001
In 1971 we moved to Sussex from Upminster, Essex (Havering group). Prior to our marriage, Edwin was from Goodmayes, Ilford, and Pamela (Green) from Upminster and previously Rainham.
We left in 1970 (Aberdeen issue) and initially met with a brethren group who left at the same time. In 1973 we left this group and from then on attended a local Baptist church. We currently meet with the Oasis Christian Fellowship which is part of the Baptist movement.
We have been blessed with two sons and two daughters, who have come to know the Lord; all now married, and we have seven grand-children.
Although being blessed by having good bible based teaching since leaving the brethren, like others it has taken us many years of learning to be free of the bondage we were under, but the Lord has been patient with us and through all the ups and downs of the ensuing years, we have experienced his unfailing love.
We would be pleased to hear from any who knew us. Greetings to all, Eddie and Pam.
Guest: Ted Fry
Guest E-mail: titus21314@hotmail.com
City, Country: Summerville, SC, USA
Date & Comments: August 7, 2001
Answer to Esther Mclean's 8/4/01 entry:
I do not live in your area, but will pray for you. The Lord frequently orders our circumstances so that we are left alone (ex. Moses in Midian, Ex. 2-3) with Him for a time in order to strengthen our faith through trial (1 Pet.1:7), which results in spiritual growth by enhancing our sense of His presence, and thus prepares us for service. He, who was made sin for us and so forsaken by God, suffered lonliness to the uttermost so that even in our most lonely times, we can say with Him "yet I am not alone for the Father is with me" (John 16:32). He also said "I will not leave you orphans, I am coming to you" (John 14:18), i.e. by the Spirit. So even in this time of lonliness, He is making His presence known to you, so that you can say with Peter "to whom coming, a living stone, elect precious" (1Pet.2:4). We are to be constantly (present tense) coming in communion to Him, because He wants to be coming to us. Paul said "the Lord stood by me" in one of the darkest times of his life (2 Tim. 4:16,17). They saw "Jesus only" and "Jesus Himself drew near" (Matt.17:8 & Luke 24:15). So we are to "look off (of things here on earth as our object) unto Jesus" (Heb. 12:2). Our Lord wants and will have no rivals for our affection and trust. In His own time we trust He will bring you other Christian friends, maybe even another boyfriend. "That He might have the first place in all things." Col. 1:18
Guest: Graham Mytton
Guest E-mail: gmytton@gn.apc.org
City, Country: Coldharbour, Dorking, UK
Date & Comments: August 7, 2001
Some time ago I wrote about a book on children's book illustrators by Peter and Dawn Cope, which includes a section on Grace Marsh Lambert, a great aunt of mine, wife of the hymn composer Charles Lambert, and both members of the brethren. Aunty Grace was a very successful artist and her postcards fetch high prices at card sales today. Her illustrations for children's books are very highly thought of today.
The brethren did not approve much of what she did - but did not in those days stop her. In her later years Grace Lambert, after Charles' death, lived either with her son Roger or daughter Barbara. She dies in 1981. When Peter Cope tried to get information about her from her son Roger he was told that she had rejected all that wordly activity and he would not provide any help.
An earlier email to the guestbook brought many very helpful information which I was able to pass on to the Copes when they were writing the book.
Now Peter tells me that he and Dawn are writing a new book on children's rag books - those cloth books that we had when very young. I did not think that she had produced any, but when Peter went to look at the archives of the book publisher Deans he discovered something very inmteresting. Aunty Grace had signed an agreement with them to produce several rag books under the nom de plume of Pauline Guilbert. This was signed in 1913.
Does anyone reading this know any more or can cast any light on this?
Graham Mytton
Guest: Kent Steinhaug
Guest E-mail: kent@observer.org
City, Country: Norway
Date & Comments: August 7, 2001
Guest: Vanssa Cummings (Janson)
City, Country: Orginally Hastings New Zealand
Date & Comments: August 11, 2001
Hi there Esther
Hang in there girl.. I know life is hard . I don't know anyone in Hastings except the ones you already meantioned. Val Smith I haven't seen in years. Do you Work?? Start going out with a few girls and don't be in a hurry to get another boyfriend. Enjoy life while you can. Because when I left I had the belief that I should hurry up and get married and have kids because that was the way we where brought up Esther. I am glad I didn't. I am married now and very very happy. YOu don't have to hurry up and get married etc. I am not saying that you are. Life can take you on a course of the unknown. Nobody can tell you what tomorrow will bring. Do you flat with others? Move to another town and start a new life!! That is whaat I did!! Do you know anything about Seth my brother?? Get to know your work mates and their families.. Thats what I did. And friends came from there on. And always put on a smile.. Chin up Your mate Vanessa
Guest: Lois K. McFarlane
Guest E-mail: lokamac@aol.com
City, Country: NY, USA
Date & Comments: August 12, 2001
Hello Again to all Participants,
I haven't signed on in some time and continue to be fascinated by the ongoing need to disect the Bible and Teachings of the EB's.
As one who was coerced into "Breaking Bread" at the age of 12 in order to join my family in the US, I have a somewhat different view of past events. I have no animosity towards past members nor do I feel that my life has been devasted by the experience of being in the EB's from birth until age 25.
In some ways I have been enriched by the exposure as it has given me a more objective view. Perhaps, this is because I took advantage of the 1970/71 upheaval to separate myself from a system that I feel was more ignorant and limited than oppressive. Few if any, seem to take responsibility for their own thoughts and actions. I have come to regard the Bible as a book of instruction and not a literal document. For me, when Adam and Eve ate of the "Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" was the point at which we were all responsible to "work out our own Salvation" and what follows thereafter is a chronicle of subsequent events.
Many of you may consider this blasphemous or simplistic but I came through the same "baptism of fire" that you did and I am unwilling at the age of 53, having lived a good and almost faithful life to believe otherwise. I am also unwilling to give credence to passages of Scripture taken out of context and pointed out to me. I now believe in the "Live and Let Live" philosophy and I do not believe that blaming others or attaching our existence to the opinions of others has ever led to any productive end.
Remember "Whatever You Believe Is True" (For You)
Thanks again, Dick for giving us this forum to voice our opinions.
Love to All,
Lois
Guest: Vanessa
Date & Comments: August 12, 2001
To Ted Fry
Your entry to Esther is all about religion. We should not preach it to others. You believe in what you want to believe in. I believe in what I believe in. And that is accepting people for who they are whether they believe or not. Because someone may not believe, that doesn't mean that they are going to hell or the christian people are better than anyone else.
There are alot of hyprocrites out there that go to church. The poor girl just wants a normal life without christianity rammed down her throut. You are likely to push her away more than anything.
I know you are feeling for her and so do I. Strength and courage is needed and believing in her self. Learning to think for herself without being told what to do. If she choices to get christian friends and she feels better to doing so, then that is good. I just hope she has the strength to go on and be a normal person without any hang ups.
Guest: Ivan Colledge
Guest E-mail: unc.ivan@bigpond.com
City, Country: Darwin Australia
Date & Comments: August 14, 2001
Found this site only today (14Aug01) and have been blown away by it. I left the PB's in 1960
in Melbourne during their morbid "open coffin" stage. I've been seeing many names I knew then
in the guestbook, would love to hear from anyone.
Guest: Mark Jarvis
Guest E-mail: markjarvis3@virgin.net
City, Country: South Croydon, England
Date & Comments: August 14, 2001
Always an informative site to visit.
I am trying to trace a book which came out in the 1970's, with a title something like-Big Jim and the Angel, written by a journalist from the News Of the World, a somewhat sensationalistic account of the events at Aberdeen 1970. Can anyone help?
Also would like to make contact with ex members in the Croydon area OR who are close by prepared to talk about their experiences in the Jims. I live close to the very large and well hidden Croydon meeting room. I am not a member, nor ever have been.
Guest: David Sharples
Guest E-mail: dgs32@ozemail.com.au
City, Country: Brisbane Australia
Date & Comments: August 15, 2001
It was the early sixties when I decided to leave the EB,s. It was not long after JT jnr had visited Australia. I was not impressed with his visit and the idolatry which was so apparent. It appeared that he was the lord and master of all and seemed to me that he considered he took the place of Christ. Being a drinker he was effected by alcohol which showed. Not only did he legalise strong drink, he tried to make it compulsory by criticizing those who did not partake in such, labeling them prohibitionists. I distinctly remember the strong opposition to drinking by many, but no one was prepared to challenge the concept. His strict laws forbade any contact with anyone outside the EB,s.
I knew many fine and upstanding Christian people and could not consider myself to be better than they and to belittle them in the way we were instructed. The final break and the visitations from leading brothers and their theories as to why I was leaving is another, not so nice, story.
Some stories in this website are tragic. I find it disappointing that a lot of ex EB,s have not associated themselves with another church or Christian gathering and I strongly urge them to do so. You will find true and loving Christian people out there who love and serve the Lord tirelessly. I know it's difficult because we had it continuously drummed into us that everyone else was wrong and we were superior, not so. What impressed me immensely was the sincerity in which these wonderful Christian people (in the church I went to) served the Lord. They were there because they wanted to be there, not because of fear of terrible penalties if they didn't. The penalties imposed by the EB's are of the worst kind imaginable. Just compare the penalties of a convicted murderer and rapists. The worst possible penalty for the most horrendous crimes (in this country) is life imprisonment, which means about 15 years goal, which is usually reduced to 10 years with good behavior. Even during this time of imprisonment they are allowed visits from family and loved ones and can look forward to being reunited at home with them again one day. On the other hand, if an EB is found guilty of using a "zapper" to open his garage door, it could easily (if he doesn't repent) lead to him losing his family and other relations FOR LIFE, never to be reunited again, period. I know this is true, it is still happening to me after 40 years. Now that is a horrendous penalty, enough to prevent anyone even expressing their thoughts if they have problems with EB teachings. Where is the love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, forgiveness etc. I hear John Hales is considered to be an elect vessel because he is in personal contact with God, what about the rest of us, what happens when we pray, is that not personal contact or do we have to do it through Hales. I'd rather do it through Christ. Those of you sitting on the fence, I urge you to get involved with a recognized church and witness the Lords work being done, you will not regret it.
Guest: Peter Wilson
Guest E-mail: pjwilsy@hotmail.com
City, Country: New York, USA
Date & Comments: August 15, 2001
'pm clarke' wrote "Peter-you asked if your "insurance policy" still applied as you are now an unbeliever- and yes, it does, my friend- because the premiums were paid for you- on Calvary's cross 2000 years ago."
Interesting concept. If you ceased paying your life insurance contributions and died a year later, would the insurance company pay out? I think not.
If you were a favorite nephew but later denounced your uncle, would he still remember you in his will? I think not.
So if you once believed but later denounce Christ as your 'savior' will he still 'save' you? I can't see why!
Then David Sharples said "I find it disappointing that a lot of ex EBs have not associated themselves with another church or Christian gathering and I strongly urge them to do so."
But why? After having the wool pulled over your eyes once, why would you put yourself in a position to have it all happen over again?
Good luck anyway - whatever is comfortable for you.
Peter
Guest: Ray Taylor
Guest E-mail: rayjaytay@altavista.com
City, Country: Ayer MA USA
Date & Comments: August 15, 2001
I just attempted to respond personally to Mark Jarvis' entry above. Following is postmaster's response.
Mark, contact me backchannel. I can point you to a newspaper article that matches your description.
Ray Taylor
rayjaytay@altavista.com
Guest: Jill Mytton For our third birthday we would love to hear from former members and so
would invite them to share their news with us. You can do this in one of two ways -
either join us again (even if only for a few hours!!) or email me (or
another current member) with your news and I will forward it to feeb.
If you would like to do one of these two things then please email me and let
me know.
Jill Mytton
Guest: Tim Lee It was said that Mr Hales had decide that Fairfield was to far out & that the pbs out there had move closer to Ermington.
What a joke.
Guest: Ted Fry In answer, Peter Clarke's statement that the "premiums were paid 2000yrs ago" (once for all) is right, but here the analogy of the divine, heavenly insurance with the earthly, profit motive driven, imperfect insurance systems ends. "The gifts and calling of God are not subject to recall"(Rom. 11:29), because they come from the heart of the eternal God, who is love. The question is as Peter put it: what did you believe? or should we ask "Who did you believe in or trust? The New Testament words for believe and faith are from the same Greek root, i.e. what (who) you believe is what (who) you have faith in or trust. Saving faith (Eph.2:8,9), which is the gift of God by grace, depends on believing or trusting one who can save, who can be none other than the Lord Jesus Christ.
Simon Peter was born again and so trusted Christ as his Lord, Master and Savior(John6:68,69), but he had to learn to distrust himself. So the Lord allowed Satan to sift him, resulting in his denial (even cursing & swearing-Mark14:71)of Christ. But since he was a true believer, he repented, was restored after the resurrection(John21:15-22) and demonstrated the reality of his faith by obedience unto death.
Judas Iscariot never was born agian, though equally an apostle as Peter, and betrayed His professed Lord and Master to his own destruction. Many call Him "Lord,Lord and do not the things" He says(Luke6:46-49), though they may do many "works of power" in His name, but He will disown them, because they have no personal relationship with Him, having not repented of their sins and received Him into their hearts(Matt.7:22-23).
So.....are you like Simon Peter or Judas Iscariot? It is your decision whether or not to believe on the Lord Jesus for salvation, as the Lord said to the man regarding his son(Mark9:22-24): "the if thou could is if thou could believe". Believe what or who? Believe that Jesus is able save you from your sins, which assumes that you know you need salvation, like that man's son needed deliverance from the demon. But you must commit your life to him without reservation, like you must trust the pilot when you travel by airplane. It is really simple, but ruinous to pride.
The unthinkable alternative is: To the fearful and unbelieving and....murders and....their part is in the lake of fire. (Rev.21:8) Remember....these are not my words.
No true Christian expects you to want to associate yourself with other Christians if you are not one yourself. But in this case you still have the "wool over your eyes", because Satan "has blinded the minds of them that believe not". (2Cor.4:4)
I doubt that your denunciation of Christ is any worse than Peter's denial, cursing and swearing against Him. So....why would Christ save you after you denounced Him? Because He wants to, since it glorifies the God of all grace, Who gave His Son to die for you.
Guest: John Raymond Williams
Guest: Peter Caws I haven't contributed to the guest book lately but see there are many new names. So it may be worth asking everyone if anyone has news or memories of the families I was closest to when still in half a century ago: the Labbetts of Ryde, the Penwardens of Ealing, the Tennents of Acton. (I do know a little about the Tennents through David Tennent of Sydney with whom I am occasionally in touch - the one I knew best was his uncle Martin, a physicist who was a postgraduate at Imperial College when I was an undergraduate there.) The Labbetts were Paul and Stella, the Penwardens Noel, Peter, and Elaine. I'd love to know how any of them are or what happened to them.
Guest: Pattie I am sorry to read that so many seem to turn their back on God after they leave. Please seek out other Christians. There are many who love God with all their hearts who are willing to help you keep your faith intact and to get you through the valley.
I am not an EB, never have been, but work for them.
Guest: bradley mccallum trust all are well,
bradley
Guest: Pam Copp (married name Jackson) I am now married to a farmer and have 3 children.
Guest: Anonymous We are trying to plan an escape and are unsure whether to just leave a note or whether to face up to the 'priests' and parents. I left in different circumstances as a teenager and would be glad of advice and experiences it will be painful each way.
Many thanks
Guest: Jean Pearson Taylor
Guest: S It is a hard one, Presumably not made easier by the fact that your parents have already "lost" one child and your sibling will be aware of the pain and heart break it will cause at home.
I left 9 years ago at 15, eventually just ran away. It is so much worse on the parents when all they find is a note. Hvaing said that, I know of no-one who has faced up to parents and priests and then actually been able to leave. It takes tremendous strength and courage, and more than anything emotional stamina. Practically the obvious situation is that your sibling will then be shut up, and depending on their age, it may become almost impossible to escape.
My advice, and many may disagree is just to run, and then try and explain to the parent later when you have had some time to really think things through, and can be clearer, and more helpful to them. I was shut up for 3 months and got very little sleep. By the time I ran away I wasn't really sure what I though anymore as so much had been twisted and turned. And I had no illusions about the fact that me leaving would destroy my families life etc. It was only that fact that I was so young and rebellious, and didn't like my father that enabled me to go. I know of at least one young person since then who has been completely sure and set to leave, and buckled under the strain when the family found out. It is incredibly difficult to tell them and walk. If your sibling is under 18, it gets really complicated.
Keep us updated, and let us know if there is anything I can do to help.
Thinking of you and take care
S.
Guest: Gabriel I think the Lord wrote the Gospel to save the world, so I don't understand how they can support so strongly their rules, from which so many people ran away from.
I would ask the following question to Mr. Hales:
I would feel very dissapointed by God if he had let in the EB's hands the "Salvation of Mankind", I could not believe he was so blind to choose these people.
Mr. Hales, don't you think that leading this group is a "very good business" as well ?.
To the readers:
Fortunately I've never been among the EB's, yet I'll have to deal with them for a long long time. Read my story in the Correspondence page.
Unfortunatelly I know them inside out, and also know their ridiculous and cruel rules.
Here in Argentina, five young boys and girls left the sect in the latest six years and are trying to rebuild their lives. I'm in contact with most of them.
Gabriel
Guest: Anonymous (of 26th August) any, many thanks once more for everyone's support
Guest: Arnie Silby I seem to have lost contact with Esther and would like her to contact me as we are making a trip back to Hastings in October. This will be the first time Elaine and I will have met Esther, so this will be a special time for all concerned.
God bless all who read this.
Arnie & Elaine Silby
Guest: Vanessa Janson (Married name Cummings) Hi there. I don't know if you remember me from Hastings but your neice Esther her email is
estim8or4@icqmail.com
Hope you have luck.. She has been down alot and needs a bit of family I feel.
Let me know how you get on....
bye Vanessa
Guest: Vanessa Cummings (Janson) Just another idea for you to contact Val Smith. As Esther knows her. Heer email is under Lovett-Smith.
Bye good luck Vanessa
Guest: Heather Dutra I will be in Brisbane for a few weeks from September 15th, and will be happy to meet anyone if possible. Just email me as I will have Internet access while there.
Guest: Alan Clarke
Guest: Anon All I know is that Mr Hales ministry was interfered with, someone must be able to add more colour.
If no one can I will do some research...
Guest: Ted and Esther Druckenmiller My mention of the above is twofold. Firstly, just to share the abundance of our blessed God's favor to us over the past few months during this, our 45th wedding anniversary year. And secondly or mainly to let you know why I haven't had much opportunity to visit this wonderful and excellent website of Dick Wyman's and add a comment or two. In so doing now I want to be careful not to sound accusative. But back at home and going onto pages 19 and 20 of the site, about March 2001, I felt somewhat sad or hurt with some of what I read. I may be wrong, but I think I see an effort on the part of a few to expound on the failures of others as if to say 'listen to me I got the answer.' Please just bear with me a moment to just raise a caution, that while we want to be free to use this site to state some of the real convictions of heart that many, and indeed most of us have, as coming out of the sad exclusive portion of brethren, we need to let love and affection for one another prevail in how we speak of and to one another. And believe me, I do see a lot of this here. Lets remember the two faithful exhortation in the epistle of James, chapter 5:9 "Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned. Behold the Judge is standing at the door!" and chapter 4:16 "Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that ye may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteousness man avails much." My beloved brethren, we need healing. Let us resort to urgent prayer for our many brethren still captive in this sad and terrible cult system. The Lord Jesus has brought a tremendous sorrow in among the, so called, brethren movement.
We would all do well to read the epistle to the Galatians. There are some good helps on that epistle. One that came to my attention while listening to Chuck Swindol on the Christian radio program, is entitled "Galatians, Letter Of Liberation." His ten tape series is available from Insights For Living, P.O. Box 69000, Anaheim, CA 92817-0900. If we have truly found liberation from such sorrows as are expressed on this web site, let us take to heart that wonderful word in this epistle chapter 5:13,14 "Through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: You should love your neighbor as yourself." Just take a few moments this evening as your head hits the pillow and think how the Father has served us, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16 And how the Son has served us, Jesus searched for me, a lost sheep in brethrenism, until He found me, Luke 15:4,5. And too, the Holy Spirit of God, "When He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth." John 16:13. Hallelujah!
I trust beloved ones we shall use this precious web site to "Comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing." 1 Thessalonians 5:11.
Esther and I would be glad to hear from any who wish to send a note via email or snail mail, at
Guest: Adrian Patmore We all have the right to make our own decisions in life. Good luck
Guest: Cedric Ghinn
Guest: Lydia Moffit nee Evershed
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Giving up.
Guest E-mail: E.J.Mytton@uel.ac.uk
Date & Comments: August 17, 2001
On September 1st 1998 an email forum was launched via this website called
feeb (Family of Ex Exclusive Brethren). Over the last three years a large
number of people have joined and most have benefited from talking to others
with a shared background. Some have found relatives and friends from long
ago, others have found answers to the many questions in their minds, and
many have obtained support at times of difficulty. We have shared joys and
sorrows just like any family and of course we have had fun!
Guest E-mail: timlee@froggy.com.au
City, Country: Sydney Australia
Date & Comments: August 18, 2001
I was told yesterday that all the brethren in Fairfield were to move closer to Ermington.
Guest E-mail: titus21314@hotmail.com
City, Country: Summerville, SC, USA
Date & Comments: August 20, 2001
Peter Wilson: you say that you can't see why Christ would save you if you denounced Him as Savior after having believed.
City, Country: Nelson .NZ
Date & Comments: August 21, 2001
I am still a member help me
Guest E-mail: pcaws@gwu.edu
City, Country: Newark, Delaware, USA
Date & Comments: August 22, 2001
The e-mail address on the Names page is now non-functional because the server "gwis2.circ" has been taken down. My current e-mail address is as given: pcaws@gwu.edu
City, Country: Australia
Date & Comments: August 21, 2001
I have learned so much from your site about EB's. It is fascinating reading. 2 of my family were in cults (not EB's), and it was not until circumstances made it too difficult, that they were able to see the truth, and were able to leave. When the enemy blinds you, it is only the Lord Jesus Christ who can truly set you free.
Guest E-mail: knighthighlander@hotmail.com
City, Country: chicago, il, usa
Date & Comments: August 22, 2001
just a hello to everyone, and to say that i have a new email address knighthighlander@hotmail.com.
Guest E-mail: mpjack@attcanada.ca
City, Country: Petrolia,Ontario,Canada
Date & Comments: August 24, 2001
First time I've seen this website. If anyone remembers me I'd be interested in hearing from them. I left the meeting in Hamilton, Ontario in 1985. My parents were Jack & Ruth Copp.
Guest E-mail: via dwyman@cloudnet.com
City, Country: UK
Date & Comments: August 26, 2001
For the first time in many years I have been contacted by a sibling (unmarried thankfully) who is in and wants to leave. We have met and are in contact by phone (phone box calls).
Guest E-mail: grandmatay@hotmail.com
City, Country: Wheaton IL USA
Date & Comments: August 26, 2001
City, Country: London
Date & Comments: August 28, 2001
Just wanted to add something for the annonomous entry regarding siblings leaving. Firstly so pleased for you, and am really praying about it. Have younger siblings and so really look forward to a day when they may call me.
Guest E-mail: gabrielpino@tutopia.com
City, Country: Rosario, Argentina
Date & Comments: August 28, 2001
As I read all this testimonies and sad experiences told by those who are now "free", I wonder how the EB can be so blind after so many "leavers" during the latest years, as not to realize that they're wrong.
Guest E-mail: via dwyman@cloudnet.com
City, Country: UK
Date & Comments: August 29, 2001
Firstly thank you to everyone who has commented and given me their experiences of leaving the pb's in order that I can help my sibling (who is over 18) who wants to leave. I think it will be a note that will be left at the end of Sept/beginning Oct for our parents as there will be no fond farewell from the pb's or parents if it is done any other way. We are due to meet up again soon and I am more than happy to update this guestbook on progress and let you all know how things evolve.
Guest E-mail: arnie_silby@hotmail.com
City, Country: Bundaberg, Queensland, Australia
Date & Comments: September 1, 2001
Esther McLean of Hastings NZ is my niece - her mother Valerie is my sister.
City, Country: Orginally Hastings New Zealand
Date & Comments: September 1, 2001
To Arnold Selby
City, Country: Hastings
Date & Comments: September 1, 2001
To Arnold Selby
Guest E-mail: jordalie@yahoo.com
City, Country: Seattle, USA
Date & Comments: September 2, 2001
Just signing in again to say Hello to those that have made contact with me over the last two years. It has been wonderful to get in touch with many old friends and to make new aquaintances.
Guest E-mail: tullochlodge@cs.com
City, Country: Balquhidder, Scotland
Date & Comments: September 2, 2001
Please note change of email address and location. Left EBs in 1970 from Croydon meeting. Any news of my mother (Mrs Joy Crane) or brothers Stuart and Julian Clarke and their families, all still in Croydon EB, would be very welcome.
City, Country: London
Date & Comments: August 30, 2001
Should'nt someone update the correspondence page about how Laurie Marsh and Doug Siderfin got relegated to the back rows?
Guest E-mail: teddruck@quixnet.net
City, Country: Warren, NJ USA
Date & Comments: September 3, 2001
On April 2 I left New Jersey to reside in Fresno, CA taking a consulting engineering assignment at ConAgra's tomato plant in Helm, CA for 3-6 month. Much mercy was proved form the Lord during the whole assignment. Within two days an excellent one bed room apartment was located, into which Esther and I moved when she came out in two weeks. As my assignment allowed a trip home a month, Esther and I flew home for the first weekend in May and I returned to continue my building project. For my May/June trip I flew to Atlanta meeting Esther there with our sons Garth and John and John's wife Lu, to attend my niece Elizabeth Druckenmiller's wedding. A very blessed occasion. Then together Esther and I returned to Fresno on May 30 to enjoy our working vacation for June and July. This gave us an excellent opportunity to visit brethren in San Francisco two weekends and LA one week end, make acquaintance with many new Christian friends in Fresno and elsewhere, and visit many of America's national parks. Upon completion of the assignment on July 31, we spent from August 2 to 22 touring sights of the south west. Yosemite, Lake Tahoe, Kings Canyon and Sequoia National Parks, Las Vegas; Zion, Bryce Canyon and the Arches National parks in Utah; a circuit through Colorado with visits to friends in Fort Collins, Rocky Mountain and Messa Verdi National parks, and Jim Dobson's Focus on the Family organization in Colorado Springs; next the State of Arizona getting to a corner of Monument Valley, Canyon de Chelly, Painted Dessert and the Petrified Forest, the Meteor Crater, Sunset Volcano near Flagstaff and on to the Grand Canyon (the magnificence of them all) and finally the London Bridge at Havasu. I am trying to encourage Esther with her fine art talent to paint a mural entitled "Glimpses of America's National Parks." No assurance how soon this will be completed, but when finished, who would like a copy? Let us know.
9 Puddingstone Way, Warren, NJ 07059 USA, phone 908 754 6554, or just stop by for an overnight stay.
Guest E-mail: adyason@albury.net.au
City, Country: Albury Australia ( formerly London UK )
Date & Comments: September 3, 2001
Just a short note to "anonymous 26 August", the peebs may still find you, even if only a note is left, so be ready and stick to what you want to do, do not be pushed around.
Guest E-mail: ghinnsigns@aol.com
City, Country: Welling Kent England
Date & Comments: September 6, 2001
I am interested in knowing about any Ghinns who were in Melbourne Australia in the 1920s. Many Thanks.
Guest E-mail: mofittw2lmm@aol.com
City, Country: now living in Hemel Hempstead
Date & Comments: September 6, 2001
Would love to hear from anyone who remembers me or my family from Waltham Cross