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Marge Reynolds
Guest: Sophie Dummer
Guest E-mail: sophiedummer@hotmail.com
Date & Comments: September 19, 2000
Guest: Barbara A. Rainey
Guest E-mail: barbrainey@space.com
City, Country: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA
Date & Comments: September 19, 2000
Guest: Phil & Ruth Morris
Guest E-mail: PhilRuthUK@aol.com
City, Country: Camberley, UK
Date & Comments: September 20, 2000
Please note our new UK e-mail address
Guest: Andy and Marie Mutton
Guest E-mail: andyandmarie@hotmail.com
City, Country: Witney, UK
Date & Comments: September 20, 2000
Guest: Ray Taylor
Guest E-mail: rayjaytay@altavista.com
City, Country: Ayer MA USA (formerly of NYC)
Date & Comments: September 21, 2000
I continue to be fascinated by the many entries and comments. Be glad to hear from any that might
remember me, after 1970 especially. Any current news of my maternal relatives down under
(Piesse - Auckland/Pukekohe) would be greatly appreciated. My wife Paula joins me in greetings
to you all. She accepted the Lord in 1990. We met and married after that and now have three
children; Kelsey, Holly and Emma. Our address is 3 Angard Lane, Ayer MA 01432.
Guest: Liz Goldswain (Nee Dee)
Guest E-mail: ejgoldswain@hotmail.com
City, Country: Durban, South Africa
Date & Comments: September 22, 2000
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Guest: Kathleen Nelson Ferguson
Guest E-mail: knelfer@med.umich.edu
City, Country: Ann Arbor Michigan 48103 USA
Date & Comments: September 24, 2000
I have really enjoyed reading some of the PB websites. It has helped me to understand more about this little known
religion. My father's father was PB, and my father was the kindest , most loving person that I have ever known.
May he rest isn Peace....Reading of some of the culture and traditions of PB is extrenely interesting....I shall return
to this web site....I am very interested in tracing the geneology of my father's family....he was an only child, and both
his parents were deceased prior to his meetin my mother.....I know much about my mother's family, but little about
my father's....If there are any such things as records in any of the PB meetings, I sure would like to know.,...I know
that my dad was born and raised in Belfast....NI...thanks
Guest: Francis Mortyn
Guest E-mail: frank59@stanfordalumni.org
City, Country: California
Date & Comments: September 24, 2000
I have sensed some harsh feelings towards the brothers Hales so I want to comment.
While I never met John Hales other than the usual Brthren's handshake at meetings, I
did have an overnight stay in Sydney with Bruce and Consuela Hales soon after they were
married.
I found them to be thoroughly decent people and I enjoyed our conversations and unless I were to go beyond my direct personal experience, which I don't plan to do, I have nothing negative to say about them. Therefore while acknowledging that others have other experiences, I will remain silent and I will not be a Hales-basher.
Guest: Fran Gallotti
Guest E-mail: fgallotti@compusmart.ab.ca
City, Country: Edmonton, Alberta
Date & Comments: September 25, 2000
I take an exception to Mr. Mortyn's recent posting. To quote Mr. Mortyn, Therefore while
acknowledging that others have other experiences, I will remain slient and I will not be a
Hales-basher. To start with by not staying silent and making this comment I feel you are
condoning what Mr. John Hales does. You may be acknowledging others' experiences but you
are definitely lacking in compassion for those who have suffered under Mr. Hales.
Are you saying that if someone relates their experiences under Mr. Hales rule that they are
a Hales-basher? I would have thought as an xeb, although definitely one who has no recent
experience in the ebs, [you] would be more sympathetic to those who have suffered greatly.
Guest: Tim Twinam
Guest E-mail: timt@adelphia.net
City, Country: Stowe, VT USA
Date & Comments: September 26, 2000
Um ... sorry for interrupting a fast-developing Hale Storm with something as globally insignificant as a change of email address, but if you can hear me 'neath the thunder, it's now timt@adelphia.net. That's it, back to the weather ...
[By the way, I met BH only once and thought his taste in ties was deeply revealing and significant. It is probably the reason why no EB's seem to wear ties any more. Could this actually be a blessing?]
Guest: Peter Gerald
Guest E-mail: SWImages@aol.co.uk
City, Country: Cornwall, South West England UK
Date & Comments: September 26, 2000
I was in the Exclusive Brethren.
I left in 1960.
I am conducting research on the Exclusive Brethren to fill in some gaps especially in the geographical region of Bristol Cardiff Devon and Cornwall Known as the South West Quadrant
Any assistance would be welcome from ex Exclusive Brethren.
Guest: Roger Stott
Guest E-mail: rogerstott@lineone.net
City, Country: Tunbridge Wells, UK
Date & Comments: September 26, 2000
I think Frank's references to 'not being a Hales basher'
are unfortunate. I too knew the Hales brothers in the 1960s (Bruce rather better than John) and I had a great affection and admiration for them. But that was because I was under
the strange eb spell of that time and my thinking and feeling were seriously deranged by it. It is quite clear to any objective person now that their influence was malign and destructive (and led many to stay on in fellowship when they might otherwise have left). And that the current John Hales regime is a cruel and evil distortion of Christianity which has caused (and is causing) a great deal of suffering and misery. However charismatic they may have been personally does not alter that.
Guest: [withheld]
City, Country: Melburne, Australia
Date & Comments: September 26, 2000
As with any other public discussion forum, let us respect the rights of each other to openly discuss how we feel. That is one liberty that we have achieved by quitting the EBs, surely?
Some of us left when you could almost get away with a quiet game of golf, could defintely play tennis, and miss meetings by taking a scenic route somewhere, as in Frank's time. However, this has not been the case of all of us.
Some have experienced a terrible wrenching and tearing of the very basic fabric of human existence and relations. This has caused them to wonder if there really is a God ... if they can ever pray again ... if they will in fact be delivered unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh? A life has been built up within an exclusive environment where everthing that is normal to other people has no place. This environment has provided the air that is breathed, the food that is eaten, the clothes that are worn, and the jobs that are performed. This environment was a total control environment. People thought what they were entitled to think, did what they were entitled to do, and in the end knew nothing else and were able to do nothing else.
This is total control. This is insidious control. This is a cult, and the evil leaders of today, whatever they may have been in the past, depict a further regression towards the darkness than the pevious leaders.
The longer we stayed the more brainwashed we became. How many of us were almost at the point of no return before we left? How many of us would never have had the power to leave of our own accord unless we were thrown out by them?
I know the trauma that my family and I went through. One day everthing was OK - the next day we were shut up, shut out, cut off from everything that we had depended on for our spiritual, social and psychological survival. I remember believing that I was lost for all eternity, that my family would also be lost, that I could never pray again. I remember that I used to try to pray, and that terribly helpless feeling that God was not hearing me, and never would again.
The power of the cult - it is NO religion - seemed stronger out than when we were in. How many of us have memories of this that we will never forget?
But there is another world, and there is a new beginning, no matter how far we fall as we attempt to find our feet again. It is not how we fall, but how we pick ourselves up that counts. The moment that we face the reality of where we have been and of what we had become - as we were truly Exclusive Brethren - and get back to the simplest tenets of Christianity in whatever form that may be to us, things change for the better. God is real, He does exist, He does care about us, He provides in the simplest ways to prove His greatness, and we emerge from the terrible power of darkness into a wonderful world of light.
To those who have just left - there is light at the other end of the tunnel, and it is not the next freight train coming either. To those who are trying to pluck up the courage to do it - there is no gain without pain, but it is surmountable, and recovery is real. There is grass the other side of the fence, and it is greener but maybe in other ways to what we expected. The flowers in the field have a colour they never had before and their perfume will replace the stench of a corrupt and systematised pretence of religion.
We live again - or maybe we should say that we now live.
Guest: Naomi Robson
Guest E-mail: robsonn@cadvision.com
Date & Comments: September 26, 2000
I too am amazed at Francis Mortyn's comment about the Hales brothers.
Hitler may have been a "nice" man too, to some people but, look at the disasterous consequences of his maniacal actions.
The Hales' dictatorial regime, like those of the "leaders" before them are nothing but power hungry people who thrive on the fact they can have so many people scared to death by RULES, and so messed up emotionally and spiritually with a false idea of what a true Christian is.
It is a good job that God is in control of who will spend eternity with Him, because if it was my choice, there'd be a few "biggies" that wouldn't be there.
We can only pray for those that are misled that one day soon they will be freed from the bondage to worship and praise the Lord Jesus Christ as only He deserves.
Guest: Mark Kingon
Guest E-mail: mkingon@mweb.co.za
City, Country: Pretoria, South Africa
Date & Comments: September 26, 2000
I note that you still have my old E Mail address. Please note my new address.
Guest: [withheld]
City, Country: Melbourne, Australia
Date & Comments: September 26, 2000
EXCLUSIVE BRETHREN LEADERSHIP
Some of us may do ourselves a favour if we read some of the other pages on this web site. For example, read of how J N Darby set about from day one to totally control those around him. Read of how the various man appointed "leaders" set about to take the extreme applications of the EB Cult to another level - both doctrinally and in life practice.
If the order was reversed and Darby was now rather than in the beginning, would he be any different? Personally, I think not. That is my opinion and none have to acccept it. However I do not feel bound in any way to make any excuses for any period of the movement - a movement that has progessively been away from God, Christ and The Truth, to an intensifying man made system of corruption, error, intimidation, and bondage.
Many of us are hindered in obtaining our freedom because we won't face the fact that we have been cult members. We want to believe that it really wasn't that bad. We used to be indoctrinated when I was a kid as to how bad the Roman Catholics were - under Papal control, blinded as to the truth ... Remember that? Exclusive Brethren have the worst Pope, and the highest degree of blindness, and ALWAYS have ... maybe the self justification, pride and self righteousness doesn't help. That is probably the hardest thing to give up.
If it walks like a cult, and quacks like a cult - it IS a CULT - isn't it? And the leaders of the cult?????
Guest: Mark and Helen STORRY
Guest E-mail: storrytex@aol.com
City, Country: Nottingham, England UK
Date & Comments: September 26, 2000
We left EB's in 1975 and after a long period of soul-searching have found great fellowship with an Evangelical Church
here in Nottingham. How the EB's could assume to be the only church that the Lord is interested in is a lie! We have
two sons, Oliver (18) and Edward (13). Glad to hear from anyone. 25.09.2000
Guest: Liz Bennett
Guest E-mail: bennette@camtech.net.au
City, Country: Adelaide, Australia
Date & Comments: September 27, 2000
I left the EB in 1978, as a 17 year old. My parents and five of my brothers and sisters are still in. I have never looked back or regretted this decision, no longer being the shy repressed dysfunctional person I was at that time. I celebrate each day with joy and passion and certainly live life to the fullest. I have never forgotten my upbringing and confirm that I am a SURVIVOR and my life is in my hands!
I would love to contact anyone who remembers me or my family.
Guest: Liz Bennett
Guest E-mail: bennette@camtech.net.au
City, Country: Adelaide, Australia
Date & Comments: September 27, 2000
A few of us ex-EB's are getting together in Adelaide this coming Saturday 30th September to catch up.
We are meeting at Deane Butchers, Mawson Road, Forest Range from 12.30/1pm onwards. Please feel
free to join us. If you need further details or directions to get there, please feel free to contact Deane or myself on:
Phone: Liz 8336 9133 (home) 0411 094940 (mobile)
Deane 8389 8139
Guest: Francis Mortyn
Guest E-mail: frank59@stanfordakumni.org
City, Country: California
Date & Comments: September 28, 2000
The guest book is not a BBS, so I will need to ask Dick
Wyman as a special favor to allow to post the following
unusual comments.
The responses to my recent posts have astonished me. I have never seen such a response even on BBSs where I am active. There have been posts on this guest book but even more private e-mails. Almost without exception people have been troubled by my posts, especially my choosing to refrain from condemnation of the Hales brothers.
Now, I am not going argue about it, but I would like to say this.
If John Hales were standing before you now, and saying harmful things, would you reach for your sword and cut off his ear? I hope you would prefer to model yourself on the One who reached out to heal the injury.
John Hales has, perhaps, led an evil and destructive cult which has left pain and broken families in its wake. So will you now cut off his ear? Or will you be like the One who sought healing?
If John Hales reads this site, as he may do, would you rather deepen the gulf of isolation from Christianity in which the Peebs have placed themselves - or would you not like to be a person whose love even for John Hales just might touch his heart? What a victory for Christ's kingdom that would be!
Is not John Hales a victim of an evil system as much as we who are "out" are and as those still entangled in it are? Is he not as much as any person in need of the healing touch? Can we not pray that he will receive it?
Won't love reach John Hales heart more likely than perpetuating resentment about what he has done?
Will you be ready to stand alongside John Hales reconciled before Christ in due time?
Isn't it time to start getting ready?
Guest: Francis Mortyn
Guest E-mail: frank59@stanfordalumni.org
City, Country: California
Date & Comments: September 28, 2000
In 1967 it became clear to me that I would have to leave
the Brethren. This was a painful prospect. I had many
friends "in fellowship" and I knew that a severance would
cost me my precious links with people dear to me, including
family members. Yet I knew it would be self-betrayal and
dishonoring to Christ as well as to myself to stay "in" when
my deep convictions did not support that course.
Severance was a painful prospect for the Brethren as well as for me. They liked me and I liked them. The situation was precipitated by a visitor from Melbourne who in effect demanded that they act.
That was at a Wednesday reading meeting. The Brethren scheduled a meeting the following night to take up my case. This means that I had twenty four hours to prepare. I considered several alternative courses to take. I could, for instance, argue that the Brethren were wrong. Or plead for time. Or just absent myself, as my wife did.
Finally I decided to do none of these things. Instead I simply said all the most positive things I could truthfully say about those who had been so kind to me. I spoke of my thanks for what so many Brethren had been in my life and my earnest desire for their being blessed. There were no apologies nor pretence that my decision was subject to change by persuasion. It was a true *farewell* in the full sense of that word.
Then I stood and walked out, alone, head held high, in an utterly silent room.
I have since been told that the way I conducted myself that night gave the necessary encouragement to a wavering young man who saw it all and no doubt that compared that evening's proceedings with what he saw in other Peeb activities, and it led him to make his own decision to act honorably and go.
Thirty three years have passed and I have never regretted that I refrained then, as now, from maligning the Peebs.
Guest: Nigel & Rosanne Herbert
Guest E-mail: NPHerbert@aol.com or Nigel.Herbert@cp.net
City, Country: Cardiff, South Wales
Date & Comments: September 28, 2000
Left the system in August 1970 with my parents and family in Cardiff. Married to Rosanne (nee Walker) originally from Rushden, Northants, daughter of Richard (originally Leicester) and Ann Walker, (nee Leeder).
Awaiting the imminent second coming of our Lord and Saviour. In the meantime seeking to call on His Name, enjoying with other like-minded individuals much relating to God's vast and eternal thoughts for us "The latter glory of this house shall be greater than the former."
Would be very pleased to hear from anyone who knows us, and anyone genuinely seeking the Lord's mind and direction.
Anyone wishing to correspond, please note updated E-Mail addresses and phone numbers.
Tel: +44 (0)1633 681969
Fax: +44 (0)1633 681969
Mobile: +44 (0)773 007 4389
Mailing Address:
The Old Mill Lodge,
Michaelstone - Y - Fedw, Nr Cardiff,
South Glamorgan, CF3 6XT.
UK.
Guest: Peter Harrison
Guest E-mail: peter.harrison10@virgin.net
City, Country: Derby. UK.
Date & Comments: September 28, 2000
I have just read [withheld]'s remarks in the guest book with great interest. How right he is.
However, I have just returned from a pilgrimage to the Holy Land. This has been an experience of a life time, and one that I would encourage every ex EB member to undertake.
I sailed on the Sea of Galilee, and walked though the same gateway into Capernium as Jesus did,
Jerusalem just has to be seen to be believed.
The highlight of my tour came when I visited Cana of Galilee, I was looking at a T-shirt in a shop, with a picture of Jesus on the front of it, an Arab gentlemen who owned the shop, crossed over to me and said "He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and we are waiting for his wonderous return".
My eyes filled with tears and I was too choaked to reply.
I know that the EB's do not allow travel or holidays, but does anyone know why a trip to the Holy Land was never encouraged?
Love to all.
Peter.
Guest: [withheld]
City, Country: Melbourne, Australia
Date & Comments: September 29, 2000
REPLY TO FRANK
As Dick has graciously agreed for us to openly express our feelings in the current discussion, I humbly submit the following for your consideration ...
Guest: John Weightman
Guest E-mail: JWeigh6523@aol.com
Date & Comments: September 29, 2000
Regarding Frank Mortyn's most recent contribution: John Hales and his predeceesors are not victims.
Victims are exactly that: victims. He, and the others, are leaders and instigators. Secondly, Jesus Christ
reserves his strongest language for such as pharisees who lay impossible burdens on others. It would
be better if a millstone were hung round their necks and they were thrown in the deepest sea than they
offend a child. They have ruined the lives of hundreds, if not thousands, of children.
Guest: Roger Stott
Guest E-mail: rogerstott@lineone.net
City, Country: Tunbridge Wells, UK
Date & Comments: September 29, 2000
I'm not sure that Dick will be all that happy about the Hales argument that has broken out in the (usually) peaceful
pages of his Guestbook but I would like to make a further comment or two.
Was anyone actually suggesting that John Hales ear should be cut off? I think Frank should address what was actually said rather than an Aunt Sally version of it. Being nice to evil dictators has often been tried - I seem to remember a Neville Chamberlain in this context - but it usually leads to no good at all. As I said earlier, there was a time when I had warm and cordial relations with both the Hales (and admired them both) but it is dangerous and misleading after the last few decades to do anything but roundly condemn JHS's doctrines and practices. John Weightman's comments about the way Jesus spoke to the Pharisees should settle this strange little argument once and for all. Using scripture to oppress and frighten people (you want the evidence? -I can provide it in spades) and to bring about widespread misery and suffering is (I would have thought) a rather serious matter in the eyes of any 'normal' Christian.
Perhaps if John Hales reads these postings (as legend has it) he might like to join in this discussion?
Greetings to all
Roger Stott
Guest: A. Daniel J. Lee
Guest E-mail: LimeyBrit@aol.com
City, Country: Durham, North Carolina, USA
Date & Comments: September 29, 2000
Thanks for the good work in organizing this site. The experience and memory that I have of the Brethren was Cult like. Yet most
of the people were so wonderful too. I hope that those that have left have been able to move ahead, as I have.
Guest: Adrian Sloan
Guest E-mail: Carolandadrian@sloan52.fsnet.co.uk
City, Country: Bristol
Date & Comments: September 29, 2000
An interesting site, reminding me of a time in my life quite different from now. I was glad to get free of the Brethren,
but I do value the good grounding in the Scriptures I gained then.
Guest: Charles Tickle
Guest E-mail: seewt@juno.com
City, Country: Omaha, Ne.
Date & Comments: September 29, 2000
Since reading the various comments about the Hales and others I felt I must say something about the remarks
and articles about Mr. Darby. Correct me if I'm wrong but I get from what I read that Mr. Darby is thought
very little of by some because of his hard and manipulative ways. Without apology, I for one believe Mr.
Darby was used of the Lord and the fault lies with we who came after and made a legal, prideful system
of what God had begun in the souls of good men. We all along with Mr. Darby and others of the faith
have faults and none are infalible.
Guest: Priscilla Smith formally Marsh
Guest E-mail: andysmith.wave@ntl.com
Date & Comments: October 1, 2000
Guest: Peter m Clarke
Guest E-mail: clarketrim@home.com
City, Country: Victoria, BC Canada
Date & Comments: October 1, 2000
I have followed with passing interest the comments on the Hales leadership, and the faults of the PB's. It occurs to me that if
all we do is identify the evils of the ''system''or ''cult'' without changing our own lives, then there is little profit in the whole exercise.
Some have left, and abandoned Christianity altogether, excusing themselves because they were mistreated. Others have remained
stuck in a timewarp, longing for the former days. Some have gone on for the Lord, seeking for whatever may be put in the way for
them to do. Nobody gave us any guarantees of a nice easy Christian pathway where we could go to church on Sunday, and be
never bothered by any exercise at all, fully confident we were ''holding the truth'' and in the right ''position'' [funny how the old
terminology come back] There is much to say about the whys and wherefors, and rights and wrongs of the Pb's, but quite frankly,
it is of little benefit unless it causes us to examine our own lives, and change the way we treat others. If nothing else, it should teach
us we cannot put our faith and trust in any other than the Lord, and all human institutions can and will fail. My heart does go out to
those who have been so grieviously wounded, the separation of husbands and wives, of friends estranged, and children from
parents, and parents from children. Hopefully we can learn from this, and concentrate our efforts on being ambassadors for Christ.
Then and only then will something positive come out of it all.
Guest: C. U. Smiling
City, Country: Global Village
Date & Comments: Global Village
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Guest: Laurie Twinam
Guest E-mail: Laurie@twinam.fsnet.co.uk
City, Country: Sevenoaks, Kent
Date & Comments: 2 October 2000
May I add a few thoughts to the recent flood of comments ranging from the Hales brothers to J N Darby? JND was certainly not perfect, but the whole Christian world has benefitted from his prodigious labours, and his hymns (eg 'Rest of the saints above') have a unique heavenly flavour. He suffered a great deal for his faithfulness to his Master, and will receive his due reward. Let's keep a sense of proportion and remember the warning that Jesus gave about casting the beam out of our own eye before we assume to criticize Darby and others like him.
It is sobering to speculate that the disaster which has overtaken the Taylorite brethren over the last forty years may have sprung from some earlier roots, but those of us who were around in the 60s can confirm that during that decade systematic evil took a far worse turn, culminating in the disgrace at Aberdeen in 1970. At that point unwarranted claims to be the most spiritual group in Christendom wre publicly exposed as hollow and false - and those who knew the facts could no longer, if they wished to follow the Lord, remain associated with them. That was a far more serious situation than anything in the brethren's earlier history.
Those now leaving the Taylorites are nearly always ignorant of their true history, and some alas have not yet a vital link with the Saviour. May I plead therefore for a greater sense of Christian responsibility in our dealings with these dear people, and especially with those who are young in years. The Lord Jesus is still the Good Shepherd, and I believe He would motivate those who are His to reach out to them whole-heartedly, and certainly to avoid confusing or stumbling them. We would very much welcome contact (by Email or otherwise) with any such.
Laurie & Kathie Twinam
Guest: Brian and Margaret (nee Wallace) Johnson
Guest E-mail: bjohnson3@vtown.com.au
City, Country: Australind West Australia
Date & Comments: October 2, 2000
Someone mentioned on this site how the PBs were very anti Catholic. A good example of this was a book that was in most
PB homes, Fox's Book of Martyrs, which showed so much bias, whereas history is very clear that Catholics and
Protestants inflicted terrible deeds on each other and all in the name of God. I hardly ever read novels but one day I picked
up this book written by a Charles Gidley (born into the PBs in England, but now a Catholic) and the book was based on
Plymouth Brethen in the South of England area. Has anyone come across his books?
Guest: Phil and Hazel White
Guest E-mail: philandhazel@lineone.net
City, Country: Worthing West Sussex
Date & Comments: October 2, 2000
I would like to put out another message to anyone who may have heard of Joy Stanley of Croydon Surrey. I have
heard that she has left the Jims and would be glad if anyone has heard of know anything about her.
Joy would remember me as Hazel Parker.
We have been out of that system now for 30 years and I would have to say that, We can never be thankful enough that Lord saw fit to remove us from that wicked system.
If you only just left I can assure you it can take a long time to take it in that the Jims are not the only ones. What I would say is that we don't want to give up christianty, let us carry on and follow the Lord Jesus who is the Saviour of the World. Jesus came into this world to save you and me and by believing in Him we have found true happiness and joy.
I would appeal to any who may have left the Taylor system not to give up but look to the Lord and see where he would have you go.
Please feel free to email us any time.
Guest: Francis Mortyn
Guest E-mail: frank59@stanfordalumni.org
City, Country: California
Date & Comments: October 2, 2000
Dick Wyman has been exceedingly gracious in continuing to
post in the guestbook the many comments which would more
properly appear on a BBS if such existed. Perhaps Mr. Wyman
would consider creating a BBS.
I bow out of the Hales discussion. As I leave, I appeal to my fellow-Christians to join me continued...
Guest: Oliver Bedford
Guest E-mail: oliverb@tcorp.nsw.gov.au
City, Country: Sydney. Australia, ex Amersham/Wycombe,UK
Date & Comments: October 2, 2000
Re Peter Harrison's query on 28 September. Visiting the Holy Land would have been seen as thinking about Jesus
as he was, rather than having a relationship with him where he is now. It would have been seen as "religious" (almost
a dirty word in the EB's). And as you say, holidays were banned from about 1962 onwards anyway. Also, there is
no EB meeting in the Holy Land, and a basic rule about holidays (when still legal) was that you could only stay in
places where there were brethren.
I have been there myself (about 1977) and I agree it's a fantastic experience, even with the worst tummy upset I've ever had.
Peter, I assume you are a son of the Mr Harrison of Derby I used to know at a distance, a large, outgoing person, who I think was "first generation" EB, one of the few converts from outside. He was a great fan of Frank Fowler, from memory. Excuse me if I've got my wires crossed !
Oliver
Guest: Sandy Robertson
Guest E-mail: sjrobertson@netscape.net
City, Country: Irvine, California USA
Date & Comments: October 3, 2000
Re the recent comment on "Fox's Book of Martyrs":
I remember reading that when I was about 9 or 10; I read everything I could get my hands on except Brethren "ministry." Magazines, newspapers, anything. "Fox's" was one of the few non-ministry books (other than children's books) in our house. I loved it! Gruesome and gory to be sure, but no more so than your average teen movie.
Also, does anybody remember the old illustrated Bible that we had in the home c. 1960? Big, black-and-white illustrations printed on special glossy pages interspersed throughout the Bible -- I don't know what they're called, those old Victorian illustrations, I think they were done with etched metal plates. There was always somebody in the foreground looking terrified, with hand to forehead, fleeing something or other.
Thanks for a couple of oddly enjoyable memories.
Guest: Francis Mortyn
Guest E-mail: frank59@stanfordalumni.org
City, Country: California
Date & Comments: October 4, 2000
"Does anybody remember the old illustrated Bibles?" asks
Sandy Robertson. I more than just remember them - I have
one. It's a KJV naturally.
This "dinosaur" Bible weighs a ton and appears to be about 150 years old. It includes a useful concordance which I use a lot. The many illustrations are full-page steel engravings of very dramatic content, which remind me of Albrecht Durer. The type size in this old Bible is enormous. The volume is bound in pigskin which is now crumbling with age.
The print will be legible until Doomsday because the ink is apparently made with carbon black, not just dyes (which fade), and the paper is very likely made with rag, not just with wood pulp and the acid process which causes modern papers to crumble with age after no more than twenty years. I predict that this antique Bible will last to serve many generations of my descendants.
I acquired it for ten shillings in a used book store in Cambridge, England, in 1955 and since then have hauled it all over the world wherever my travels have taken me. It is one of my most treasured possessions.
Guest: Jim Dartnall
Guest E-mail: anchorp@bigpond.com.au
City, Country: Perth, Western Australia
Date & Comments: October 5, 2000
Great to see the web page and some names I recognise.
Would like to hear from anyone who knows me and am chasing info on a guy in Barbados named Neil that was in Perth for three day meetings in early 1990's and stayed with Bill Dartnall. He was a chicken farmer in Barbados. Any info would be appreciated. Please send return email.
Guest: Beryl & Victor Congdon
Guest E-mail: jcongdon01@snet.net
City, Country: Portland, CT 06480
Date & Comments: October 5, 2000
Thanks Dick for your efforts in providing this site.
Only by Grace, Vic & Beryl
Guest: Lucille Roy-Kane
Guest E-mail: roy_lucille@hotmail.com
City, Country: Montreal, Canada
Date & Comments: October 6, 2000
Guest: Sidney Harrison
Guest E-mail: shh28@globalnet.co.uk
City, Country: Edinburgh, Scotland.
Date & Comments: October 6, 2000
Guest: Alistair Devenish
Guest E-mail: campsbay@yebo.co.za
City, Country: Cape Town, South Africa
Date & Comments: October 9, 2000
I left in 1980 after realising how the Jim's were taking away my own self and forbidding me to utlise my talents
and from denying my sexuality. I was lucky that my father had left prior to myself and gave me the emotional
suport to get through. I am looking for any information on the Merseyside bretheren from this time on, as 'as
always' I have been shunned from any info whatsoever.
Guest: Daniel Hunziker
Guest E-mail: tacoman2001@hotmail.com
City, Country: USA, Washington (that's where I was born)
Date & Comments: October 9, 2000
Hi,
I live on a Air Force base in Japan and when my dad was a little kid to his teens his parents were very active in the Plymouth bretheren number four. If you knew the Hunzikers from Washington please e-mail me. My dad was Benjiman Hunziker. He was an outcast until my grandparents left. Please e-mail me about the Brethren rules and weird things about them because this interests me and my Dad wishes not to tell me because he says that was the hardest part of his whole life and he doesn't want to bring back memories.
Guest: Iain and Jackie Henderson
Guest E-mail: IainCraigturra@cs.com
City, Country: Perth. Scotland
Date & Comments: October 9, 2000
Does anyone have any information on the Cox family from England or
the Henderson Family, James in particular? They were in the exclusives in the
1920's till 1960's . I think my grandfather was involved in the shipping
industry in Glasgow working at the cityline office. The Cox side of the family
that I know of are my mother Brenda, her brothers Cyril, John, and Peter. Her
mother died when she was very young and her Father re-married. Cyril and John
we know, Peter died some years ago and had family, Debbie who we know and Simon
and Giles who we know nothing about. My grandfather was Henry Cox (known as
Harry) and came from a family of eight. His father worked on the Railways and
they lived next to a family called Hammond who were also in the meeting.
If any one can help me find my Family history I would appreciate it if they get
in touch.
Guest: John Murray
Guest E-mail: jpmurray@xtra.co.nz
City, Country: Auckland, New Zealand
Date & Comments: October 11, 2000
Guest: Michael Handcock
Guest E-mail: MickHandcock@aol.com
City, Country: Sydney, Australia.
Date & Comments: October 13, 2000
Hello to all.
I left the PB's just prior to my 16th birthday in 1984. At the time I was in fellowship with the Leeton meeting and was first "shut up" and I assume subsequently "withdrawn from". One of the things I remember, prior to my departure, was a visit from a Brother, in which he was trying to understand and arrest my rapid departure from the fellowship and my family. At the time I just said to him, "I just don't understand what you are on about. Any of it, the bible, the teachings, miracles of faith, the lot. I don't understand". I accept my expression may have improved since then but the thrust is still the same. Nobody much bothered me after that and I don't recall attending another meeting. I have very occasional contact with my parents and I am about to try again. As I've matured, (slowly), a person who I have become very interested in is my paternal Grandfather, Bernard George Handcock. His treatment, post excommunication, was despicable and to see the fellowship gathering to bury him after my Brother and I had seen him safely in the ground, following a local christian service still rankles. Other visitors to the site may also have memories of my maternal Grandfather, Joe Nason, another whose treatment was appalling. Information on either of these Gentlemen would be eagerly received. I would also be most grateful for any information on my family history from our roots in England. I believe my paternal grandmother Alice (Gerard)? came from Leeds.
I am doing alright with a few battles with various vices. I am no longer religous but was a little moved by the "Ghandi Posting". Keep up the Good work Mr Wyman.
P.S. Is Rugby The Game They Play In Heaven? Appologies to the Yanks but be prepared for an argument!
Guest: Adrian Cook
City, Country: Manchester England
Date & Comments: October 14, 2000
Thoroughly instructive website. I always thought plymouth brethren landed at plymouth Rock, Maine, etc,etc. If you guys have been shortchanged in education, it don't show.
Read some of the entries with my mouth agape. Cruella de Hales.
adrian
Guest: Heather Mines (nee Forshaw)
Guest E-mail: heather@mines.org.uk
City, Country: UK
Date & Comments: October 15, 2000
Guest: Richard Grace
Guest E-mail: rgrace@chariot.net.au
City, Country: Adelaide, Australia
Date & Comments: October 15, 2000
Guest: Robert and Margaret Pearse
Guest E-mail: r.pearse@virgin.net
City, Country: GRIMSBY U.K.
Date & Comments: October 16, 2000
We left the EB's in 1968 in Newcastle upon Tyne.
Robert was formerly from St Andrews, Yeovil, Blackburn and Leeds. Margaret, (nee Monaghan) formerly from Uddingston, Glasgow. We have 2 grown up children. Philip aged 36, married with 3 children living in U.S.A. and Eleanor aged 33, married with 2 children living in Derby, England. What really helped us most during the trauma of leaving all of Robert's family still in the E.Bs was our contact with the Iona Community at the Abbey on the Island of Iona. Robert's brother Graham Pearse and his wife Joan and 4 children Jennifer, Michael, Roger and Duncan are in Nottingham. We'd love to hear from anyone who remembers us or has information about the Pearses from Nottingham whom we have not seen since 1968
With love,
Robert and Margaret
Guest: Andrew & Valerie Fleet
Guest E-mail: via edestouches@btinternet.com
City, Country: Woking, Surrey
Date & Comments: October 16, 2000
Guest: John Puxty
Guest E-mail: johnpuxty@hotmail.com
City, Country: Ilkeston, England
Date & Comments: October 16, 2000
I left the Exclusive Brethren in January 1971 at the age of 22. I was the eldest of four children in a family living in Retford, Nottinghamshire. When I left we were part of the 'city' of Sheffield, meeting in Doncaster. I had not believed in God for some years prior to my leaving but I was too frightened to declare myself and leave, knowing the trauma it would cause to my family. When I did make the move it was because I had met someone from outside the Brethren whom I subsequently married. I have two brothers, both with families, one living in Doncaster the other in Lincoln, and a sister also living in Lincoln. I have not seen any of them now for nearly 30 years. My parents left the 'Jims' in the mid-seventies but remain Brethren. I do have contact with them. I found my way into the Church of England. My marriage was not a happy one and finally came to an end two years ago. I have subsequently remarried. My wife Sylvia and I are now worshipping at Saint Peter's church in the centre of Nottingham.
I have been helped to appreciate the good things from my Brethren upbringing - and there were some good things but, I also feel that my life has been blighted by the legacy of such an upbringing. I am convinced that the great breakthrough comes when we find a relationship with God which is uniquely ours; to be able to say 'I was blind but now I see'. I may be a 'liberal Anglican' but I know I am loved and accepted by God.
It has been a joy to find this web site - I must admit I feel a little like a child in a sweet shop! Like other correspondents, I would be glad to hear from anyone.
Guest: Richard & Jenny Grace
Guest E-mail: rgrace@chariot.net.au
City, Country: Adelaide, Australia
Date & Comments: October 16, 2000
We left the exclusives in 1970 after the Aberdeen affair. I had been waiting for an opportunity
for some months. I am writing my autobiography for publication. We had four children.
Stephen and his wife Eleanor are on the mission field witht heir three children in Ecuador with
HCJB. Paul and his wife Jacquie are in Sweden with their three children and Shirley is in Sydney
with her husband Kyle. Our youngest, Charles, died tragically when aged twenty months. We
now foster disabled children and have three severely disabled children in our care currently.
For me this is true religion. Walking is much more like Jesus than talking. I can hardly believe
how arrogant we were, and how full of ourselves and our own self-righteousness. It's that
very arrogance that Jesus spoke most strongly against. Great to see some names and
faces from the past.
Richard & Jenny Grace
Guest: John Weightman
Guest E-mail: JWeigh6523@aol.com
City, Country: Berwick upon Tweed formerly Newcastle upon Tyne
Date & Comments: October 17, 2000
Just checking in and delighted to see Robert and margaret Pearse. Have written to you separately.
Guest: Michael Heath
Guest E-mail: heathy85@metallica.com
City, Country: Melbourne, Australia
Date & Comments: October 17, 2000
Can anyne tell me where there is a Exculsive Brethren church in BORONIA. Thank u very much
Guest: Brian and Margaret (nee Wallace) Johnson
Guest E-mail: bjohnson3@vtown.com.au
City, Country: Australind West Australia
Date & Comments: October 17, 2000
G'day Michael Handcock, enjoyed your comments October 13th, yes maybe
Rugby is played in heaven but Aussie Rules is the best on Earth.
Guest: Margaret Stoppard
City, Country: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Date & Comments: October 17, 2000
An ex-exclusive!
Guest: Margaret Stoppard
City, Country: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Date & Comments: October 17, 2000
This is my second entry to you. I have been viewing the "old pictures" and discovered the platform of speakers
from the 1959 meetings at Central Hall, London. My parents were invited guests and I was able to attend the evening
meetings with the family we boarded with. We also sat on the steps picking up a small carpet to sit on. G. R. Cowell
visited us in our home in Scotland along with several others I have identified in the picture. Brought tears to my eyes
and brought back a flood of memories.
Margaret Stoppard
Guest: withheld
City, Country: Gresham, Oregon USA
Date & Comments: October 17, 2000
Pain and hurt is healed by helping others less fortunate than you. Let's drop & forget the bad & ugly and press onward to our goal. There's a sick
world out there dying because we as Christians are so self-centered that we can't see beyond on own selfish lives. And give God ALL the glory and just
praise & thank Him-He loves hearing this. (Psalm 147:1) He's tired of our moaning and complaining. If you were God, what would you rather hear?
In return, He sends His love by way of the Holy Spirit. It's SO simple!
Guest: Adrian Sloan
Guest E-mail: Carolandadrian@sloan52.fsnet.co.uk
City, Country: Bristol, UK (fomerly Croydon)
Date & Comments: October 18, 2000
I have read the Exclusive Brethren Time Line. I should like to add a few observations.
I was in the Croydon meeting from 1966 to 1980. During that time, apart from the main 'Aberdeen' split in July 1970, when virtually 3/4 of the meeting left the Exclusives, we had a small 'Renton' split in 1971 and also the 'Frost' split in 1974 that originated in Croydon, where those who wished to retain the Exclusive attitude of only breaking bread within the group left, and with them the divisiveness that has characterised Exclusivism. It seems so sad that so many ex-EBs still refuse to have fellowship in the Lord's table with any outside their group, and some with no-one else at all - this is a travesty of the Brethren's original vision.
I was in the Exclusives for only 4 years (1966-70) and have therefore found it easier than some to reject the more evil practises and thinking. My father never accepted the exclusiveness (he died in 1962, before my mother and I (re)joined the Exclusives, largely through loneliness (most of my mother's family were in the Exclusives and had refused to eat with us at the time of my father's death). Through God's mercy, all of us left in 1970 apart from one cousin who is still 'in'.
I am now worshipping in an Evangelical Anglican church which is very outgoing and very strong on the fundamentals of the faith, as well as being very welcoming. I value the grounding in the Scriptures I received. I should very much like to hear from anyone who remembers me from the days at Croydon.
Thank you for this site.
Adrian Sloan
Guest: Arthur Butler
Guest E-mail: arthur@arthurbutler.fsnet.co.uk
City, Country: Wolverhampton, England.
Date & Comments: October 20, 2000
Since my first entry in the guestbook, I have enjoyed browsing and enjoyed being reminded of names long forgotten.
Thanks to all who contacted me about the "Personal History". If I haven't got back to you it's because I tried and
failed. My wife Elizabeth is daughter of the late Charles Swan of Birmingham. Mrs.Swan was recently "taken home"
to be with the Lord aged 94. I think when I wrote my piece I was trying to answer the question:"Why?" How could
good, sincere Christians accept such a cruel deceit? I don't know that I have a final answer but other contributors
have highlighted some factors I had not considered, eg the effect of the JND translation (and its notes). To those
who say the site is too concerned with negatives, I would concede they have a point for I wonder about re-engaging
my mind with painful memories. But I have a sister, four nephews, several cousins and an unknown number of great
nephews and nieces still "in". If in any way this site will advise me of changes affecting them, or even releasing them,
I am grateful. My home town was Trowbridge, Wiltshire, where the meeting has been closed in recent years and all
EBs moved to Chippenham, which means that the tenuous link I had with my sister, Rachel Pocock, has been
severed as they moved without letting me know (of course). Our prayers must continue that just as many of us
were released in 1970, so another crisis will set many more free. Lots more could be said but just to end with
thanks for a fascinating site.
Arthur Butler.
Guest: Bob Spratt
Guest E-mail: bob@greenstones.fsnet.co.uk
City, Country: Kendal, Cumbria, England
Date & Comments: October 21, 2000
After my first entry back in June (bottom of page 15) I have heard from a number of old friends and made several new ones which makes me very thankful for this site and the opportunities it brings.
During recent weeks I have been a bit saddened at the concentration of negative stuff, but suppose if it helps to get it off the chest, so be it! We really do need to pray for one another that these hurts may be healed.
However, it is good now to see a bit of a change of subject with some more positive comment. Those of us ex EB's who love the Lord have, like all believers, been saved to serve Him in some small way in a world where so many - not only ex EB's - feel lost and alone and where millions are dying of starvation.
Bless you Richard and Jenny Grace. Thank you.
Now in my 70th year, I have been involved in prison ministry in the UK for a number of years and more recently in Ethiopia where I hope to make a return visit early in the New Year. It would be fair to say I need as much prayer as I can get! In this connection, if anyone reading this would like to receive my regular prison ministry prayer and newsletter just get in touch.
The way the Lord is working in prisons throughout the world is exciting and a real tonic - especially for those of us who have had a kind of prison experience in the EB's. It is a thrill to see so many coming to the Lord and growing as they feed on the Word.
Hope to hear from you.
God bless
Bob
Guest: Wendy Zemanek (formerly Cossham)
Guest E-mail: wendyz@ihug.co.nz
City, Country: Wellington, New Zealand
Date & Comments: October 22, 2000
I would be pleased to hear from anyone who knew my late husband, Tony Cossham (also known as Phillip Cossham). Tony
immigrated to New Zealand with his parents Phillip and Frances Syene and older brother Raymond in the late 1930's and
lived in Dargaville for a short time before moving to Wellington. He died in 1981, some 20 years after being withdrawn
from. Raymond is still in the Brethren in Christchurch, New Zealand
Guest: Andrew Dartnall
Guest E-mail: a_dartnall@hotmail.com
City, Country: Perth ,Western Australia
Date & Comments: October 22, 2000
I left the Bretheren on 18 Feb 2000 due to disagreements with their way of life and the way it is controlled by one man
who takes the place of God, and must in no way be questioned. I left with disputes unresolved - but how can you resolve
a dispute when there is only one side to a question!!!? I was the evil one who had no regard for "the truth"!!! The
interesting thing is that when faced with the truth the only defence is "if your going to talk that way we ca no longer have
anything to do with you"!!!
I would like to have contact with my family as this is God's intetion, however at this moment this is not to be.
I have just spent 4 weeks building an orphanage in Zambia for those less fortunate than ourselves. Can you imagine the difference the brethren could make if some their collections went into something other than their own self interest? How was it that Jesus was amongst taxgatherers and harlots and a Friend to the afflicted? This experience has opened my eyes to the reality of true Christian behavior and has opened doors to a new and fulfilled begining to a new life as a 'worldly' person.
Would like to hear from any who know me or relatives I don't yet know. I am 21 years old and am currently making a new start in a life where telling the truth is normal, rather than that of deceit where political importance is greater than the truth. It is refreshing to be able to divulge information about my daily schedule without having to lie so as to avoid 'preistly visits' or being 'withdrawn from'.
Guest: Francis Mortyn
Guest E-mail: frank59@stanfordalumni.org
City, Country: California
Date & Comments: October 22, 2000
On November 30 please pause for a moment to think about
St. Andrew, one of the twelve apostles chosen by Our Lord,
and the brother of St. Peter. This date is his Holy Day on
the Calendar of Saints of the Anglican Church. Let Andrew be
remembered with honor and respect and Christian love.
According to tradition he was crucified on a cross shaped
like "X" and this cross became known as "St. Andrew's Cross"
and was adopted as the symbol of Scotland. Golfers know that
the world's most notable golf links are at St. Andrews in
Scotland. But you don't need to be a golfer to remember St.
Andrew on his day and if you are so moved to say a little
prayer for him, one who walked with our Lord Christ himself
in person, and perhaps light a candle in his memory.
Guest: David Macdonald
Guest E-mail: gofantasea@aol.com
City, Country: Philadelphia, PA. USA
Date & Comments: October 23, 2000
Again, a special thanks to Mr. Wyman for his excellent work and in maintaining this site. I also enjoy the comments and stories. The most of us have experienced a lot of pain and anguish, and it is totally fine to express our feelings. Remember, we were NOT allowed to express our feelings and say what we thought. This forum is an excellent soundboard and a place to connect and to talk about the real truths.
For those who knew them, my grandparent's Neville Walker and Mabel Walker from New York have died during this summer. They died just 2 1/2 months apart. It was very fitting because they had one of the closest relationships I have ever seen, and not to be apart for long.
Love and peace to all.
Guest: W. Bradley McCallum
Guest E-mail: knighthighlander@aol.com
City, Country: Detroit, MI, USA
Date & Comments: October 23, 2000
Just a note to say how thankful I am to Mr Wyman for the service in maintaining this website.
Guest: Bradley McCallum
Guest E-mail: knighthighlander@aol.com
City, Country: Detroit, MI, USA
Date & Comments: October 23, 2000
In response to the maelstrom over the comments about JSHales, i would offer these two comments.....
love to all, bradley mccallum
Guest: Jayne McDonald (Dalziel)
Guest E-mail: JayneStan@aol.com.au
City, Country: Umina Beach, NSW, Australia
Date & Comments: October 24, 2000
Please note new e-mail address
Guest: Phyllis Hyldahl Juul
Guest E-mail: pjuul@iopener.net
City, Country: Mount Airy, North Carolina, USA
Date & Comments: October 25, 2000
Please note new e-mail address. Thanks much, Dick
Guest: Gordon William Simmonds
Guest E-mail: GordonWSimm66@aol.com
City, Country: Romsey, Hampshire, UK
Date & Comments: October 26, 2000
Guest: Sheila R. MacLachlan Seesahai
Guest E-mail: sseesahai@home.com
City, Country: Winnipeg, Canada
Date & Comments: October 26, 2000
My parents are currently with the EBs in Winnipeg, MB.
Guest: Charlotte MacPherson
Guest E-mail: Charlotte.MacPherson@us.bosch.com
City, Country: Chicago, IL
Date & Comments: October 26, 2000
Left the "Brethern" in 1980; Originally was from Knoxville, TN; moved to Cincinnati, OH 1952; moved to Chicago, IL 1964. Would
love to hear from anyone who remembers me. I have seen a lot of names on this site that I remember from years gone by.
Guest: Connie Bunning (now Barton)
Guest E-mail: pacobar@nethere.com
City, Country: Formerly Indianapolis, IN
Date & Comments: October 27, 2000
Just checking in to say hello. Would like to encourage more ex-PBs from the US to sign in.
Guest: Cherie Thomas (Carnwath)
Guest E-mail: puckhead@peoplepc.com
City, Country: Michigan,USA
Date & Comments: October 27, 2000
I have been looking in on this site for some time, finally signing in. I left the mtg. in 1982 at the age of 17. Many of you
may remember my parents Jim and Mary Carnwath. Still with the brethren. I'am married with 2 children-daughter 9
and son 7 months. Hope to hear from any who remember me or my parents.
Cherie
Guest: Eileen Pearcey (Marsh)
Guest E-mail: eileenpearcey@aol.com
City, Country: Camberley, UK
Date & Comments: October 27, 2000
Will you join me in praying for a fresh revelation of the grace of the Lord Jesus to those in power. That their eyes
would be opened to the will of God for the Brethren. The Lord is greater than any man and all things are possible
with Him. Like many of you I have close family members still with the brethren and long to see them again.
Guest: Francis Mortyn
Guest E-mail: frank59@stanfordalumni.org
City, Country: California
Date & Comments: October 27, 2000
Somebody commented on the relatively small number of posts
to this site originating in the USA. There is a clear cause
for this.
Guest: Christopher Assaf
Guest E-mail: Contraproinc@sprint.ca
City, Country: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Date & Comments: October 28, 2000
Hello, I am not a member of the EB's and never was. I was just looking for some information on them, that's all. But, I do have some questions on some things I have heard that have not been written on this website.
Guest: Susan Diener(Ewing)
Guest E-mail: johnsusan59@dotplanet.com
City, Country: Oak Park , IL. USA
Date & Comments: October 28, 2000
Please note new e-mail adress: johnsusan59@dotplanet.com
Guest: Mark Foulkes
Guest E-mail: foulmre@infogen.net.nz
City, Country: Wanganui, New Zealand (formerly of Wellington)
Date & Comments: October 28, 2000
Guest: Julie Fletcher
Date & Comments: October 28, 2000
Guest: Sue Black
Guest E-mail: sueblack43@hotmail.com
City, Country: Australia
Date & Comments: October 30, 2000
I am very interested in gathering information on the Bretheran who reside in Moss Vale in the Southern Highlands
of NSW. My daughter has met some of them at her school and in order to help her understand the way they are
brought up I need to know some facts. The women I see in the street all look so sad and have very angry eyes.?
Their meeting place resembles a electricity sub station and the padlocks make me wary... My theory is fear grows
from the unknown so If I know the facts about them then either I will fear and be aware or I will respect and get
on with life. There appears to be a lot of them living here?
Please help me
Sue
Guest: Pete Cranston
Guest E-mail: pete_cranston@hotmail.com
City, Country: Auckland, New Zealand now Brisbane, Australia
Date & Comments: October 30, 2000
I'm out and I've left! I'm living in Australia and life is awesome! Love Noosa!
Guest: Graham Frost
Guest E-mail: grahamfrost@hotmail.com
City, Country: Peterborough, U.K.
Date & Comments: November 1, 2000
I left the Exclusive Brethren in 1973 at the age of 17. I have just come across this website. What an amazing find!
My parents are still alive and live in London. They are still involved with the 'Jims'.
Their names are Peter and Brenda Frost. I have three sisters, Celia, Margaret and Rhoda - and two brothers, Frank
and Clive.
I would love to hear from any ex-member of the Exclusive Brethren, as long as you are not attempting to 'sell' me an alternative set of beliefs.
I now believe that it is possible to lead an honest and decent life without subscribing to any particular religion.
Guest: Andy Giles
Guest E-mail: andygiles@classicfm.net
City, Country: Worthing, England
Date & Comments: November 2, 2000
Guest: Pilla Jones (nee Candlin)
Guest E-mail: Jones161@supanet.com
City, Country: Godalming, Surrey
Date & Comments: November 3, 2000
Guest: Phil and Liz Hughes
Guest E-mail: philanliz@aol.com
City, Country: Warwickshire, UK
Date & Comments: November 3, 2000
Just signing in after reading many comments which bring back memories. Liz and I left with our children in 1969.
Best thing we ever did. They are now four and have all grown up and lead sucessful lives free of the EB's influence.
Many of my family are still inside in Doncaster and Sheffield, UK. we would be interested to hear from anyone
who remembers us or has some contact with the Hughes families in that area.
Having recently spent considerable time in Moslem countries, whilst sailing in the Med and read about Hindus in India. It is clear that all major world religions have their cults. Strange we thought we were so unique!!!! It is healthy to read the greater freedom of thought that comes out in the chat. Thinking was certainly not on the carriculum when we went to the EB's meetings.
Best wishes
Phil and Liz Hughes
Guest: Jonathan Hughes
Guest E-mail: Jonathanhughes@btinternet.co.uk
City, Country: London, England
Date & Comments: November 3, 2000
I am one generation removed from the Bretheren. My parents, Phillip Hughes and Elizabeth Hughes(formerly Elizabeth Mason)
left in 1969, whilst still in their early 20's. They lived in Chesterfield at the time, before moving to Belper, near Derby. They have
four children now, of which I am the youngest, at 26.
The journey away from the Bretheren has been a long one for my parents. Perhaps only now are they realising their true potential. Perhaps only now, after 30 years, are they realising to what degree their inate ability, talent and intelligence was surpressed by this disgusting, life denying religious cult. It makes me angry when I consider that they were made to suffer uneccersarily in the hands of the innadequate, cruel and unintelligent people that lead the Bretheren.
They have since made a great success out of their lives, which I think is truely remarkable now that I understand how damaging and traumatic their childhood must have been. I think the Bretheren should be destroyed, in order to prevent such unessesary suffering in future.
Furthermore, I have learned that the bretheren does not end when someone leaves, or even 30 years after they leave - the perculiar, life denying mindset of the bretheren has a very significant effect on the happiness and wellbeing of future generations. It leaves the children of ex bretheren with a legacy of emotional damage and confusion.
Are there other poeple of my generation who are one step removed from this cult? Or anyone who would find it interesting to talk to me about it, whatever their age?. If so , drop me a line.
Guest: Roger N.Holden
Guest E-mail: roger.holden@care4free.net
City, Country: Stockport, Cheshire, UK
Date & Comments: November 3, 2000
Of Haywards Heath meeting in the dim & distant past; fortunately this meeting left en bloc in 1970 and still
exists attended by my mother and various other people whose names I see on this site. I found this site via the
Christian Brethren Archive site on the John Rylands University of Manchester site.
Guest: Ron Mornan
Guest E-mail: RonMornan@webtv.net
City, Country: Mountainside, N.J
Date & Comments: November 4, 2000
Greetings to you all. I do not know you Dick although your parents stayed with us a few times in Passaic during the 3 dayers in NYC. and Westfield.
You sure have done a great job on this web site, I just found out about it yesterday from my cousin Rebeca Wilkie in Kalispell who I had not heard
from in 30 years. I left the PB4s for the final time in 1977 was married in the mtg. to Debbie Garlick in 75 we left she went back and has our boy
Shawn in the mtg. still who is 22. Finally was able to meet him 3 years ago and had a great time together quite a few times.
Had an accident 10 years ago broke my neck and am now a quadraplegic, have been staying in a rehab nursing home since then, but I do all right under the circumstances. I noticed a lot of pepole in the book here I had not seen in 30 years, so anybody that would like to yell at me I would love to hear from any one who remembers me just e-mail me. Every one else hang in there an keep your link with the LORD. Love to see anyone if you're in the area.
Guest: Vanessa Janson
Guest E-mail: b&v.cummings@xtra.co.nz
City, Country: Geraldine, Sth Canterbury. New Zealand
Date & Comments: November 4, 2000
Left the EBs in 1986.. nick name for ebs (hanky heads) he he he ..orginally from Hastings. New Zealand.
Life is for living.. and not dwelling in the past.... I feel that I have never been in it... Immediate family still in
sad to say...... but have all my father's side who all left by 73 and all my mother's side who were neither
in it.....Cool . Chin up everybody....Thanks Dick
Guest: Stan Field
Guest E-mail: stanfield41@hotmail.com
City, Country: Nelson NZ
Date & Comments: November 5, 2000
Thank you Dick for this site. Is it ok to find my cousin Joseph Capper. Joseph where are you mate, I missed your message before you left
Sydney for NZ. Get in touch mate, I'm heading back to Aus shortly, hope you see this. Cheers
Stan
Guest: Graham Frost
Guest E-mail: grahamfrost@hotmail.com
City, Country: Peterborough, U.K.
Date & Comments: November 5, 2000
I just had to place another entry in the guest book to say what an enormous find this website has been. Since I discovered it
a week ago I have received news of my family who I have not seen for nearly 25 years. Someone also sent me a picture of
my sister and her husband and family. Thanks to all concerned. While I am here, would any ex-members of the Taylorite
Exclusive Brethren be interested in having some kind of a reunion, just to exchange stories and compare notes. As I say, this
is just an idea. Please keep the contacts coming, I am really enjoying hearing from people, both those that I remember and
those that I don't.
Guest: Valerie Saulle
Guest E-mail: valsaulle@ap.com.au
City, Country: Melbourne, Australia
Date & Comments: November 5, 2000
My name was already signed in Guestbook page 11
Anyway I am wondering if anyone has the photo album of brethren in Newcastle, Gosford and Maitland. I have already looked at all the photo albums of all brethren in Australia but someone does not have one from Newcastle, Gosford and Maitland. Could I borrow it if anyone has one?? If so please email to me
Thanks Valerie Saulle
Guest: Tim Harding
Guest E-mail: Tim@deo-gloria.co.uk
City, Country: United Kingdom
Date & Comments: November 6, 2000
CAN ANYONE HELP??
Miss Jeanette Taylor of Peterhead (Scotland), would like to know if any of her father's relations have left the Taylorite Brethren, in particular: Alan & Elizabeth Birch, of Shrewsbury, or their children (Fiona, Stephen, Louise) or grandchildren. David & Ruth Hope of Derby or their children or grandchildren.
If anyone has up to date news, please contact Jeanette at:
5 Station Place, Peterhead, AB42 1SQ.
(She does not have internet access)
Alternatively, replies can be sent via email to the Deo Gloria Trust - Tim@deo-gloria.co.uk Many thanks
Guest: Thomas Gerald
Guest E-mail: wr99@aol.com
City, Country: England
Date & Comments: November 6, 2000
New e mail wr99@aol.com and not as shown in guestbook swimage@aol.com.
Many thanks and just to say your www is going from strength to strength congratulations
Guest: Gavin Mytton
Guest E-mail: gmyttonuk@yahoo.com
City, Country: Newcastle, Tyne&Wear
Date & Comments: November 6, 2000
Guest: Andrew Norman
Guest E-mail: andrewdnorman@ntlworld.com
City, Country: Dunstable, England
Date & Comments: November 6, 2000
I am a Christian who has never been in the Brethren, either open or exclusive, so I guess I'm something of a rarity on this
site. I am though very interested in Brethren history and current practice, so am finding this site a gold mine of information.
Guest: Patti Whitney
Guest E-mail: pgwhitney@cfaith.com
City, Country: Portland, OR
Date & Comments: November 8, 2000
I left the EB's in 1974, after I graduated. It was the best thing I ever did.
Guest: Tim Harding
Guest E-mail: Tim@deo-gloria.co.uk
City, Country: United Kingdom
Date & Comments: November 9, 2000
Re: previous message on Nov 6 2000.
The family at Shrewsbury are BURT not Birch.
Guest: Still inside
Guest E-mail: (I do not have one)
Date & Comments: November 9, 2000
I have heard about this site and I do enjoy it. I am very discouraged
with the peebs, but I have a family with children and I do not know just
how to get free. Please pray for us
Guest: Jennifer Attwood - Daughter of Max and Elizabeth Attwood
Guest E-mail: jennifer_attwood@hotmail.com
City, Country: Vancouver, B.C. Canada
Date & Comments: November 9, 2000
I came out of this church along with my family many years ago. I didn't understand all that went on back then and I'm only
just starting to realize what happened to our family. I was only 6 aprox. when we left the church. I never thought much about
it, we were always just a family that never had any relatives, that was that. But there is so much more to it all. I want to
understand and know more about it, maybe one day I can help my relatives. The Lord will lead. Praise His name.
Guest: Jill Mytton
Guest E-mail: e.j.mytton@uel.ac.uk
City, Country: Bromley, UK
Date & Comments: November 10, 2000
Dear Still Inside
All of us who have left can empathise with your recognition that it is going to be difficult to leave.
I know that there are many many people who have already gone through leaving who would be willing to help you Many of these people have families just like you.
I strongly recommend that you look on Dick's Railroad page and find a name in the country where you live and contact them. I know many of those who have signed up to help and I know that they will do so.
There is help out there, you will not be alone.
Jill
Guest: Graham Nason
Guest E-mail: gjnason@austarnet.com.au
City, Country: Dubbo, Australia
Date & Comments: November 10, 2000
HI, I was a member of the "Brethren" for 32 years, up 'till
1992. Please feel free to contact me anytime.
Guest: Mike & Elyse Tamplin (Elyse nee Chugg)
Guest E-mail: tamps@ozemail.com.au
City, Country: Launceston Tasmania Australia
Date & Comments: November 11, 2000
We as a couple decided some 15 years ago to resign from the brethren.We had, had a lot of difficuties e.g.sickness,
financial, spiritual. After serious deliberation, we"chose to leave them" on our terms. In doing so we also chose to
continue in our Christian faith, by becoming members of the local Reformed Church. We have seen our three children
grow up with a christian faith. Elyse and I are active in our faith. We are member`s of God`s Squad motor bike club
taking the Gospel into places it wouldn`t normally go. I would seriously encourage all those who have hurt to keep
their trust in God Because he cares. I will try to reply to any emails that come my way. Mike
Guest: Andrew Wallach
Guest E-mail: a.cwallach@lineone.net
City, Country: U.K.
Date & Comments: November 11, 2000
To: "Still In" entry 9-11-00
My wife and family (most) have been out only 6 years. It takes time to adjust, but is not as hard as it seems when still "in". There is help and support - whatever the problem. Do communicate.
Praying for you
Andrew Wallach
Cheshunt, Hertfordshire. U.K.
Guest: George Samuel LEE
Guest E-mail: sam@samlee23.freeserve.co.uk
City, Country: Glasgow Scotland
Date & Comments: November 11, 2000
My father (Dennis George Lee) and mother (Maureen Fold Lee nee Emmans) were withdrawn from after Aberdeen (I think).
I pray regularly for my father's only sister and family who are still in the Jim's.
My father's favourite bible passage was Philipians 4:4-7, the clue to this text is "The Lord is near".
It's great to know His presence in my life. I'm currently doing a BA in Theology at the International Christian College in Glasgow - which provides refreshing contact with brothers and sisters from all over the world, and from all different denominations; with one goal, that God our Father be glorified in our lives.
Having done some 'sermon tasting' in various churches on arriving in Glasgow (and been invited to sit at the back and observe at the 'Needed Truth' brethren (a split off in the 1800's from the open brethren) I ended up going to the Church of Scotland just round the corner from my home. It's a church with a real love for the Lord and for Urban Priority Area parish in which it is found. Pray for us as we seek to bring Christ to this community.
Your brother in Him
Sam.
Guest: Dave Macdonald
Guest E-mail: gofantasea@aol.com
City, Country: Philadelphia, PA.
Date & Comments: November 11, 2000
Dear Still Inside,
It is not easy to get out and it requires strength and wisdom to overcome the fear. Having a family is a major consideration. I've been down that road. Jill Mytton's suggestion makes good sense. I don't know where you live, so I would suggest that you should contact someone from the site. There is help available.
Peace to all.
Guest: Terry and Rachel Lock
Guest E-mail: canucks@supanet.com
City, Country: Edinburgh, Scotland
Date & Comments: November 12, 2000
We moved to Scotland from Calgary, Alberta, Canada, in July of 1999.
We've been reading some of the articles and seeing names of people which bring back many memories.
It is quite amazing to look at a site like this and realise that it is just a small portion of the saints that will be raptured at the coming of Christ, and that though we may not all be together now, we shall all be together eternally.
I think it is a good thing to always see the saints as saints, and leave the judging of there persons to the one of whom scripture says "Will not the Judge of all the earth do right ?". David says a very saluatory word for us in this day when he speaks to his men of Saul when they would have had David harm him "for who can stretch forth his hand against Jehovah's anointed, and be guiltless?". This in no way condones Saul's actions, but it shows Davids respect for the persons with whom God has worked. David's love for Saul is also seen later with Mephibosheth.
Though some of us may feel that we have been wronged, or deceived, or hurt, this doesn't give us an excuse for hardness or to speak ill of the saints. Scripture says "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? until seven times? Jesus says to him, I say not to thee until seven times, but until seventy times seven." If we are honest, we would admit that the Lord is very gracious and merciful to us every day, and His attitude towards us is constantly forgiving. Scripture says "It is sufficient for the disciple that he should become as his teacher, and the bondman as his lord." It will help us pray for one another, and thank God for those believers who have gone before, if we take to heart Paul's word "each esteeming the other as more excellent than themselves; regarging not each his own [qualities], but each those of the others also."
We would be glad to hear from any who wish to write, and may the Lord richly bless all his saints.
Terry and Rachel Lock
Guest: Shirley (Anderson) Beere - formerly of Montreal, Canada
Guest E-mail: sbeere@county.lanark.on.ca
City, Country: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Date & Comments: November 12, 2000
Back again now that I have an email address. I would love to hear from people I used to know in the PB's.
Thanks, [withheld] for all your very accurate statements regarding the damage caused by this "cult". I think that it is an extremely important step along the way to recognize it and name it for what it is.
For those that knew us from before, my brother Eric passed away in October 2000 from colon cancer (age 46). We have had ten wonderful years since we were reunited with him and my older brother Greg.
To "still in":
There is so much life to be lived after the PB's. Have courage and make the move. I wavered for a full year after leaving but feel that I have been so blessed since I made the break.
Guest: Laurie Twinam
Guest E-mail: Laurie@twinam.fsnet.co.uk
Date & Comments: November 12, 2000
Dear 'Still Inside'
I am deeply impressed that you have asked for our prayers, indicating clearly that you yourself feel the need to pray in your 'still-in' situation. There is all the difference in the world between leaving the Jims because you are fed up, and seeking God's deliverance through prayer. It is thrilling to think of that kind of prayer on the other side of the wall. Many (though sadly, not all) the readers of this website are Christians, and I can assure you that many of us will be praying earnestly that the Lord will open the way for you, enabling you and your wife (or husband?) and all your family to leave through Christian conviction, based on Scripture.
Jesus said, 'He that follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life'.
Years ago my wife and I and all our family had the Lord's help in leaving the Jims following deep conviction that we should be following Jesus rather than the current leaders, and although we have had much to learn since, we have never had cause to regret that move.
But do be careful, prayerful and watchful. I say this because in the past some have made precipitate moves, and then found that their family has been split up and that young people especially can fall prey to temptations. The Lord Jesus is the Good Shepherd, and as you look to Him He will guide you and lead you, and guard you too. Weigh over the Lord's wonderful words in John 10.27-28. Don't let anyone else - especially non-Christians - take over your life. Watch out for wolves in sheep's clothing, as Jesus said. You will need good Christian friends, preferably near at hand, to stand by you, pray with you, and spend time with you.
We will continue to pray for you, dear 'Still Inside'. More things are wrought by prayer than this world dreams of. We admire your courage in contacting this website,
Laurie Twinam
Guest: Brian Martin
Guest E-mail: briandaniel67@hotmail.com
City, Country: Seattle, Washington, USA
Date & Comments: November 13, 2000
I just found out about this site a few days ago and I'm kind of obsessed with it. I'm on the Names page with a little bio.
I'm going to say a little more because it's in me and I just have to get it out.
So many people here are still religious - and that's fine, I suppose. I'm truly not here to offend anyone. But I am burdened to say: I am a strong Atheist. Have been for about ten years now. And I like to cuss. Cussing is a hobby of mine. And sometimes I drink a little more than what is moderate. And I love the movies. Especially French films - ah, the French - it's my dream that this insignificant former little Plymouth Brother gets to go to France someday where they apparently are not bothered with salvation and guilt and higher powers and walking on water and such.
And for all you out there who are worrying over whether you should leave or not - LEAVE! I have cursed God and lived - not only lived but prospered. Of course, now I don't think anything is "out there." It's just me and what I can see. Rocks and trees, buildings, dogs, and the love I feel for my parents and friends - and the fierce anger I feel for anyone who tries to control me or feed me a line of BS.
Sorry, I hope this makes it on the page. I'm mostly a pretty polite person. Maybe Dick'll let it squeeze in. Even if he doesn't, this is a great website. Thanks again.
Guest: Ian Pascoe
Guest E-mail: pascoe1@optusnet.com.au
City, Country: Australia
Date & Comments: November 13, 2000
Guest: Jill Mytton
Guest E-mail: e.j.mytton@uel.ac.uk
City, Country: Bromley, Kent, UK
Date & Comments: November 13, 2000
This is an appeal to any former member of the Exclusive Brethren living in the UK.
I am very keen to be in touch with anyone currently talking of leaving the Ebs, in the process of leaving the EBs, or who has very recently left. My reasons for this need to be kept out of the public eye but I am happy to explain backchannel.
Please contact me if you know of anyone in this position
Thank you
Jill
Guest: [withheld]
City, Country: Melbourne, Australia
Date & Comments: November 13, 2000
TO - STILL IN
I feel for you at this time as I still have vivid memories of the consternation that preceeded being locked up and withdrawn from. I didn't have the courage to make the move, but in the end they will do it for you as you can't hide the signs of discontent.
You have to make the decision as to how and when, and to what you separate from them to when you do get out. You will see from the letters on this group that there is a wide variance of current beliefs amongst the ex-peebs. Don't let that worry you - you just concentrate on what you want and need to do, knowing that all of us are behind you and supporting you, in prayer or thought.
Many of us who have left have not separated to any formalised group of ex-peebs or believers/christians. That will sort itself out as time goes on as it has in most of our cases. Some of us have really had enough and I notice a letter already, sadly, warning you about some 'non-christians' who will seek to influence you. Well, to be honest, I would rather be a 'non-christian' than some crusty old has been who is really only upset about getting booted out rather than being the local leader or worse :-)
You are leaving a position of bondage (and a lot of other things) for a position of freedom. You will feel like a bird let loose - and you may even fly around in circles for a while. There is nothing wrong or abnormal with that, as most of us have done just that.
But it will be YOUR freedom, and that is what matters. Noone can dictate to you anymore, and YOU chose what the rest of your life will be. We - and I would safely say - all of us, irrespective of our current religious persuasions or otherwise, are behind you and thinking of you. There is now a wonderful support group where ever you are, to the extent that you need it.
Keep smiling
Guest: Fran Gallotti
Guest E-mail: fgallotti@compusmart.ab.ca
City, Country: Edmonton, Alberta
Date & Comments: November 13, 2000
Dear Still Inside
Having left the ebs at the age of 20, I am quite aware of the difficulties to do so. I have been fortunate to have contact with xebs worldwide who wish to help those who have left or are trying to leave. They will listen to your story, they will not judge. They will give you guidance, support, and help and not ask for anything in return. Some are Christians, some are not. Some are what I refer to as 'fence sitters' as they are still struggling or haven't made up their minds as to what they do believe. If you need help finding work, housing or just need someone to listen, they will be there. If you ask they will tell you what they believe, but will not tell you what you should believe. I am willing to listen and direct you to others who may be close to you. Feel free to write me 6816 - 10th Avenue, Edmonton, Alberta, T6K 2T7, Canada or call me collect at 780-450-3829.
Fran Gallotti
Guest: Victor Congdon
Guest E-mail: jcongdon01@snet.net
City, Country: Hartford, Connecticut USA
Date & Comments: November 13, 2000
To: Still Inside,
Please contact me. If you live in USA call me at 860-342-2488. There are many who are praying for you....we never stopped. There are many who can help you.
Only by Grace, Victor Congdon
Guest: Roger Stott
Guest E-mail: rogerstott@lineone.net
City, Country: Exeter, Devon, UK
Date & Comments: November 13, 2000
This is addresed to the recent posting by 'still inside'. If this is a genuine posting (and I have to assume it is) I invite you to email me personally or to phone me on 01392 681848 (from outside UK 44 392 681848). One of your main dangers - if you are really trying to escape from the cruel errors of brethrenthink - is that you will be wooed by people who still pursue the brethren idea (the breathtaking arrogance of 'separation' for example) but in a sentimental and oleaginous pre-JT Jr form. This -in its own way- is just as deadly and suffocating as Halesism. You will need breathing space, not preaching and there are many who could help you to gain that. And even if you don't leave in the near future it may be helpful to talk to someone who is not trying to convert you to a modified form of brethrenism but is simply concerned to help you to make up your own mind.
With a great deal of love and sympathy
Roger Stott
Guest: Peter M Clarke
Guest E-mail: clarketrim@home .com
City, Country: Victoria, BC
Date & Comments: November 13, 2000
In reference to the person asking about leaving,all I suggest is if you do decide to leave, try and do so with your family.Unfortionately, the way the EB's work is to so entangle people that they are trapped. Christianity was never meant to be so!I think the hardest thing to realise is that we aren't ''special''[ although each believer is ''special''to the Lord]and we certainly didn't even represent the ''church''This belief of superiority dies hard, you come out of it thinking we are in some sort of favoured ''position'' and that we had a special message from God that no one else had.Then there is the ''seige mentality- every one is against us'' These are three of the main ''warning signals'' of a cult.It takes a long time to divest yourself from that thinking. Hopefuly, the result is that you realise you can only put your trust in the Lord, and the scriptures. And yes, there are many sincere believers carrying on the ''work'' Who are we to say who the Lord will call, or to what field to labour in.One of my main concerns is that I don't know if the gospel is still preached in sincerity and truth. There may be a generation of people who have grown up actually believing they are saved, simply because they are in the ''Right Position''and may not have a personal link with the Lord, trusting Him and Him alone for their salvation.So many people have left, thinking they were Christians, only to find they had no link with the Lord. Thank God, many have found salvation since leaving.We need to perservere in prayer for the many people who were born in the last 40 years, many have never experianced Christianity.
Guest: Joan Morris(Penlington)
Guest E-mail: mmmor@bestnet.org
City, Country: Ontario, Canada
Date & Comments: November 13, 2000
Please change my mailing address in your guest book list.
Guest: Cecilie Palmer (nee Boon) ex EB from Wellington NZ
Guest E-mail: capalmer@watchdog.net.nz
City, Country: Waimate North, New Zealand
Date & Comments: November 14, 2000
I first signed the GuestBook when I had access to the "net" back in June or July. I merely signed my name, but since then have been following entries and have been through them all. I left - and it took three months from knowing I needed to until I did it - because I became aware that something was not "right" - that there was in fact more to true Christianity than I was experiencing. As a naive 27 year old I left home and my family and that was a traumatic experience. I have had little or no contact with my family over the past 23 years and that is sad. However, I now know what it is to have a true and very personal relationship with my Lord and Saviour. The road thus far has not always been easy, but He has seen me through. It saddens me to see entries from ex EBs who have thrown the baby out with the bathwater. Because He lives, I can face tomorrow! I have been wondering about folk I used to know or met while on a "group" trip to the UK in 1974. If I mention a few names - and anyone knows of them or you see your name. I would love to hear from you. Mr & Mrs Christopher Bedford of Amersham (I think) - may have passed on by now. The Davis family in Manchester - Margaret married David Baldwin but tragically died ten days after the marriage. David is in a wheelchair and I wonder what happened to him. I wrote for a while, but he was at one stage under "assembly discipline" and that ended that. I wrote to Ruth Paterson of Kircaldy - brothers Ian, Walter, Robert & William. Walter was married to Phyllis and lived in Edinburgh. Hugh Shimwells in Redbridge - I used to correspond with daughter Elizabeth. Ray and Ida Webb in Copenhagen. The Hughes family in Ireland somewhere I think - I used to write to Muriel who I think married a Munster. What did happen to Norman & Jill Aitken of Perth Scotland - what a voice and skill with a guitar - he was much in demand during those three dayers in September 1974. I visited Australia on two occasions and stayed with Doug & Mary Brewer in Canberra; David and Lynette Kennard in the Blue Mountains - can't recall the name of the place. Any news on any of these folk would be great.
I would like to thank Dick Wyman for setting up this site and allowing us all to use it as a point of contact. Many thanks.
Guest: James Devenish
Guest E-mail: jd20403@i-one.at
City, Country: London, England NOW Hagenbrunn, Austria
Date & Comments: November 14, 2000
To 'Still Inside'
I would endorse recent postings encouraging you. You will hear many voices advising you, in all kinds of directions. I am afraid to say some will latch on to recent leavers and in your case, those trying to leave, in order to recruit for their own brand of 'Peeb'. My advice would be you don't want to go through the trauma of leaving a cult like the peebs, with all the re-evaluating of everything you have ever believed in, in order to join a shadow or splinter group. No, they are not as extreme, but that's my advice anyway.
Please phone or write different ones who have offered their details. You need a friendly ear, a non-judgemental ear and someone who is not going to tell you where to go or what to do. You need to have people around you who can support you unconditionally. People who know what you are going through and truly want to help. The importance is not what we do now, but the fact we were once in your shoes.
Feel free to contact me, if you so wish. I left in 1990.
Haupstrasse 20, 2102, Hagenbrunn, Austria. Tel No 0043 676 6314307.
Guest: Stan Field
Guest E-mail: stanfield41@hotmail.com
City, Country: Nelson NZ
Date & Comments: November 14, 2000
Dear still inside,
There's no simple answer to your situation. Believe me I know where you're comming from, you have to make a decision and be prepared to stand alone if need be. Your soul is at stake here and those of your family. Where you stand before God is in your heart, you need no religion no church just you and God. It's easy for me to say but it's so simple, grow some balls ring up and say we're not coming out to no more meetings, get trespass orders out on them if need be, praying without action will get you nowhere .
Sorry for being so blunt but I wish someone bashed it into me years ago, I probably wouldn't of listened though.
That's the problem though We dont't wake up and listen to those who've been through it until its's almost too late.
All the best in keeping your family together whatever your decision.
Email me if you want.
Stan
Guest: Ian Pascoe
Guest E-mail: pascoe1@optusnet.com.au
City, Country: Australia
Date & Comments: November 14, 2000
Guest: Russ McDonald
Guest E-mail: Russ.McDonald@gems2.gov.bc.ca
City, Country: Victoria, BC Canada
Date & Comments: November 14, 2000
To "Still Inside" - As you can see by the outpouring of love and advice, there are many of us who will help and support you.
You are courageous to be thinking this way. I hope you can put this thinking into action, but be vigilant and careful.
We all have been through this one way or another! Let us help you.
Guest: Robin&Eileen Garvie
Guest E-mail: regarvie@imagen1.com.ar
City, Country: Argentina
Date & Comments: November 09, 2000
Dear "Still In", Beloved Brethren! Read your cry of Nov.9th. Will pray for you. The Lord Jesus is a mighty Saviour and
He will save you and all your family, but continue to pray day and night and He will answer in His own time. He doesn't
want His own in bondage! The Son of Man came to set the captives free! But He wants all your family! Praying for you,
in His love, Robin and Eileen Garvie.
Guest: Oliver Bedford
Guest E-mail: oliverb@tcorp.nsw.gov.au
City, Country: Sydney. Australia, ex Amersham/Wycombe,UK
Date & Comments: November 15, 2000
Cecilie (14 Nov 2000) mentioned meeting my parents, Christopher and Margaret Bedford in 1974 (I had already
shot off to Australia in 1967, so you didn't meet me , Cecilie). Yes, my father died 3 years ago, aged 85, but my
mother is still alive and alert, 88. They moved from Amersham to Stoke Poges (near Slough) quite some years ago
when the Amersham meeting (latterly part of High Wycombe/Slough "city") was closed down. Never left the Jims.
Guest: IAN MACFEETERS
Guest E-mail: macfeeters@jerseymail.co.uk
Date & Comments: November 15, 2000
I came across these pages quite by accident and was rooted to the spot when i read the various messages written by so many exclusives who have
thankfully left behind such an evil system and entered into the true freedom that is found only in The Lord Jesus Christ. I would very much like to
contact anybody who had any connections with the meeting in Jersey C.I. and also in Bishops Waltham in Hampshire.
Guest: [removed]
Guest E-mail: Sorry - I don't have one
City, Country: Hastings, UK
Date & Comments: November 15, 2000
I am 'still in' to quote another correspondant. I am trying to analyse my life so far and rationally decide which direction to take next. It's extremely difficult as I
am being pulled in two directions at once: by people in the 'world' and the brethren. I await comments with interest.
Guest: Fran Gallotti
Guest E-mail: fgallotti@compusmart.ab.ca
City, Country: Edmonton, Alberta Canada
Date & Comments: November 15, 2000
to [removed]
My offer to anyone still inside to telephone me collect is still open.
Area Code 780 Telephone No, 450-3829. Have the operator identify you by name and I will accept the charges. I am currently inquiring who is near to you and will provide you with a name and phone number.
Personally, I feel speaking to someone directly would be of assistance to you. There will be no pressure put on you to leave, they will just answer your questions and concerns.
There is nothing better than to feel free. But the decision is yours and only yours to make.
Fran Gallotti
Guest: James Devenish
Guest E-mail: jd20403@i-one.at
City, Country: London, England NOW Hagenbrunn, Austria
Date & Comments: November 16, 2000
A brief response to [removed], November 15.
Be very glad to speak with you, if you felt able. I remember your family well.
My number is 0043 676 6314307 or 0043 2262 673891. Both have either voice mail or an answering machine.
All the best
James
Guest: Chris Pile
Guest E-mail: ccphaulage@sunbeach.net
City, Country: Barbados
Date & Comments: November 16, 2000
Just been notified that My brother Alan Pile is Getting Married again, to Joyce Hunte (Ne; Tickle Rochester N Y) His first wife who was from outside the church came "in" to get married and they have three Boys.
They are to be married Dec 5th 2000
All the best Chris Pile
Guest: Francis Mortyn
Guest E-mail: frank59@stanfordalumni.org
City, Country: California
Date & Comments: November 16, 2000
It is moving to observe the painful struggle of one who is in
the process of breaking free from entanglement in a cult. Yet
each has to recognize that he is not the first to do so. Many
persons have trodden this difficult path and they have
survived the ordeal. You who tread that path have my prayers.
Guest: Andy Giles
Guest E-mail: andygiles@classicfm.net
City, Country: Worthing, U.K.
Date & Comments: November 16, 2000
Message for [removed],
Hallo [removed], just read your E- mail, well done for getting access to a computer! I know what a massive step that is. I know exactly what you are going through, you probably were not aware but I was in the same dilemma for at least 2 years before I was withdrawn from. I have no regrets about leaving just some about the way I left and the high price I paid! I often see Chris and Stella as some friends of mine live two doors down the road (at no 16). Feel free to give me a ring at any time day or night, My number is 01903 213244 or 07801 367241. I live at 48 Ham Way, Worthing. The 'World' isn't such a scary place as we've been taught and being set free is the most amazing feeling, believe me! I've got my own place now and have a spare bedroom! Thinking of you and wish you well Mark,
Andy Giles
Guest: Graham Frost
Guest E-mail: grahamfrost@hotmail.com
City, Country: Peterborough, England
Date & Comments: November 16, 2000
This is a message for [removed]. If you are genuine and would like some impartial advice, based on my experiences
of 27 years out of the Brethren, please do not hesitate to contact me on 01733 311288. I am not part of any religious
gathering at all, and I only want to help you, not to influence you in any way.
Guest: Joanna Greeves
Guest E-mail: jg@jgreeves.freeserve.co.uk
City, Country: Belfast
Date & Comments: November 16, 2000
[removed], I am your cousin Joanna (nee Pons) and would love to hear from you (02890 797923) and help you as would my
parents Roger and Mildred Pons your uncle and aunt. Their phone number is 01 732 459805, address 5 Hospital Road
Sevenoaks please do get in touch.
Guest: David & Eunice PLEDGE
Guest E-mail: wegrin@igrin.co.nz
City, Country: Dargaville, New Zealand
Date & Comments: November 17, 2000
We have found this site very informative and send warm Christian greetings to any who we may
have come into contact with in the past in the UK; Australia & NZ.
Guest: Graham Frost
Guest E-mail: grahamfrost@hotmail.com
City, Country: Peterborough, U.K.
Date & Comments: November 19, 2000
I am looking for some information as to the whereabouts and well-being of Esther Broughton (nee Frost), who I understand left the Exclusive
Brethren in England some time ago. Esther is my cousin. Her parents are Douglas and Kathleen Frost of Enfield, Middlesex, and she has
two sisters, Rachel and Joy, who are both still 'in'. I would be most grateful for any news of Esther. My home address and telephone
number are on the 'Names' page on the main Dick Wyman website. Thank you.
Guest: Ian Pascoe
Guest E-mail: pascoe1@optusnet.com.au
City, Country: Sydney Australia
Date & Comments: November 20, 2000
In response to those who are concerned about comments that are tagged "Hales Bashing"
all I can say is Get Over It. If all you've done is shake hands and stay with Bruce Hales in the
early sixties you haven't done much.These blokes are my uncles and as far as I'm concerned
they live with two standards, a greed for wealth, a lust for power and very little credability in the
business community so good luck I'm glad you like them because not many people do